So...I assume then that you would not object to drilling in Yosemite.
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So...I assume then that you would not object to drilling in Yosemite.
Mark, you don't get it. Your claim that there is no competition and therefore no substantial effects from supply and demand on oil prices is exactly what I said: patently untrue.
The "many, many influences" you so generously concede include the very things you just said don't exist - like variable demand - giving you what we call a "market price." You know, something set by something called "the market" and not by "a cabal of evil republicans hell bent on raping the caribou."
Didn't you ever take economics?
Deleted most of what was the most compelling argument I've seen for not drilling there. It's similar to what my father used to say: "Let's use up everyone else's oil. Then we can start using our own."
But I get the feeling that there are those who would not want to drill there if you could produce ten million gallons per day of light sweet by jabbing a straw into the ground and having the output magically teleport itself to a NJ oil refinery. They'd find some objection; look how hard they work at finding specious ones even now.
I wouldn't mind. Apart from the minimal disruption it would likely cause, I feel that oil (for present) is a necessity, while national parks are a luxury.
Certainly not if there would be no environmental impact.
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We'll drill them, too.So are big, stupid, urban-driven, single passenger SUVs.
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Well, I work for an oil company producing domestic oil and gas, but even if it cost me my job, I would still agree with this strategy. However, we would have to be able to access some oil quickly in the event of a cut-off.
I doubt that this would be the case. Liberals, like conservatives, are up in arms about the price of gasoline. If availability started severely impacting our lifestyle, I think you would see a lot of people shift their positions. Humans have a strong sense of pragmatism. But while oil is cheap (and believe me, it is still cheap compared to what its gonna be) it is easy to be an environmentalist. Serious environmentalists, among which I count myself, know that there will come a time when we have to make some hard choices. My hope is that we plan for them wisely.
So are big, stupid, urban-driven, single passenger SUVs.
No argument here. But my taxes aren't going toward my neighbor's SUV payments, either.
Well, there's your answer, Jocko and Beeps. You are willing to see anything disrupted in order to fill our oil addiction. I am not. Especially when even countries like Brazil have shown it is not neccessary. Given that simple fact, I have to wonder why you are so anxious to maintain the status quo. Surely there are better ways.
And, to answer your question, I do consider dotting pristine national treasures with oil derricks to be destruction.
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You wouldn't happen to work in the Environment dept. at said company, would you?
ETA: Mark, Brazil's ethanol is produced from sugarcane. Until you see the American and Canadian Prairies growing sugarcane in bulk, don't count on a purely alcohol fuelled economy...
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I did take economics, and competition is central to supply and demand working. Did you flunk the course?
Your comment: "a cabal of evil republicans hell bent on raping the caribou." Is a lie. I never said or implied anything of the kind. As a matter of fact I have said many, many times that both major parties are in the pockets of oil lobbyists. Does lying make you feel better or something?
With today's drilling technology & expertise, it could be done and most would never realize it.
Either you are one of the most ill-informed and stupid people who I've seen post anywhere, or you are a consummate troll. Which, I wonder.
>>plonk<<
A gross misrepresentation of what has just been said to you.
And before you start complaining about the conspiracy to maintain the status quo, perhaps you could start explaining why we should believe that the future is already here, viz-a-vis Brazil/ethanol/hydrogen/sorcery/whatever?
But not the visitors centers, utility poles, plumbing, roads, paths, etc? Am I right?
What conspiracy? Are you even capable of telling the truth?
Actually, I have been a great supporter of removing much (not all) of the development from the Yosemite Valley. I am sure you disagree with me on that. I also support restoring the Hetch Hetchy Valley, which I am sure you also disagree with.
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Personally, I think the current high crude prices are wonderful. They not only help to bring home the point that dependency on one fuel source, a severely limited-in-time one at that, is a bad idea and at the same time it makes all other alternative fuel sources much more competetive.
Let's hope that it lasts long enough for the deployment of alternative energy infrastructures to get sufficiently established and yet lasts short enough to not cripple economies who aren't self-sufficient.
Let's hope that it lasts long enough for the deployment of alternative energy infrastructures to get sufficiently established and yet lasts short enough to not cripple economies who aren't self-sufficient.
No, Mark, I aced it. Both semesters.
Now, how about logical reasoning? Like, you know, establishing that there is no competition before just assuming I'll take you at your word? Your premise is faulty, so your conclusion is faulty. I can point out a couple of ways competition enters the equation, but first, I'm curious how you'll explain that there isn't.
And there are other issues in play BESIDES competition, such as inventory costs. Remember those, Mr. Friedman?
No, but cracking a joke at your expense does. Tell me, Mark, how deep will I have to drill into your skull before I hit humor?
Golly gosh wollickers you sure told me off. And not a single fact in your post. I am humbled in the presence of greatness.
I have no opinion on either. Why must you ascribe opinions to everyone around you?
So what infrastructure WOULD you keep in Yosemite? Let's try to keep it on topic for once, shall we?
Tricky
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LOL. No, I'm an exploration geologist. That's a real science, as opposed to environmental science.You wouldn't happen to work in the Environment dept. at said company, would you?
