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geggy said:
You need to understand how hierarchy pyramid of news agencies work. National geographics is one of the outlets that are on top of the pyramid.
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First of all, for someone who has been shown to be wrong on so many occasions, you are massively condescending. Who is the woman that is the editor of National Geographic again?

Second, since when is National Geographic a news agency?
 
geggy said:
There is just too much info in my brain, I can't recollect every one of them everytime.
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:dl:

Somehow when I read geggy I am reminded of Nigel Tufnel talking about the "special" amp in Spinal Tap: "But this one goes to eleven."
 
Belz... said:
And yet YOU are so knowledgeable in history. How did you get all that information, anyway ? Not nearly secretive enough, it seems.
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Our files are always open to the conspiracy theorists, even when we can't keep them in order ourselves. We like to make sure the CTs have a better idea of what we're doing than we do ourselves.
 
delphi_ote said:
Our files are always open to the conspiracy theorists, even when we can't keep them in order ourselves. We like to make sure the CTs have a better idea of what we're doing than we do ourselves.
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Plus, it cuts down on our need for expensive storage facilities for all of our files, we just let the CTers keep a track on what we are doing. The trouble is all of our dis-info, as well as our real data, appear in our "files", it can get very confusing at times. Luckily we have some of the finest paranoid, idiotic minds in the world to explain to us exactly what we are doing.
 
Shrinker said:
Somebody here was wondering what you did for a living. I guess we can now rule out journalism, or anything related to the media.
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I'm beginning to think his job is 'driving nails into his own skull for loose change at the freak show'.
 
Just popping in to notify how geggy is consistently running away from any sub-topic whenever it's so painfully clear to even a 5-year old he doesn't have a case.

One of his first claims was something like "How can amateurs fly a plane into two towers." And when it was shown how a) you don't need -that- much training to simply fly a plane (as landing and taking off without damaging anything is the main crux), and b) the terrorists had taken classes in flying commercial air line planes, he just shut up about it. No "Oh, I was wrong about that." No hint of self-insight. Not at all asking himself the question "If this argument isn't true at all, then why should I keep on trusting the source it came from?" None of this, just popping in more CT hogwash.

And after a few dozens of those, we now get to the "molten metal" picture. He takes it as evidence for molten steel by jumping to conclusions, but when people point out that this jump is wrong... He then jumps ship and starts pulling out another claim, instead of admitting he was wrong. Again.

Just making an observation.
 
geggy said:
You need to understand how hierarchy pyramid of news agencies work. National geographics is one of the outlets that are on top of the pyramid. Others being cnn, fox, popular mechanics, Time, AP, etc who are affilitiated with the US government. The US government decides what information should be given to put themselves in a more favorable light. The top ranking individuals of each outlet's job is to keep every dissent in check to prevent from information that puts the US government in a darker light leaked to the public. The next level below of the hiercharcy pyramid gets their news from the level above. The pattern continues as information are passed to the next level below. Independent journalists who are neutral from the pyramid whereas the government has no control over, do as much research as national geographics journalists do and put out more broader and real information.
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You're going to have to start relying on things other than additional conspiracies to explain your position. Otherwise you will be stuck naming one conspiracy after another forever. This amounts to nothing but a pile of accusations without foundations which have no effect on anything.
 
Geggy,

To further Hawk One's observation and try to resolve the issue, is there one piece of evidence you believe proves that the CT is correct and if found to be false would change your mind? If there is, what is it, why do you believe that it is true, and how does it prove that there was a conspiracy? In your own words please.
 
c4ts said:
You're going to have to start relying on things other than additional conspiracies to explain your position. Otherwise you will be stuck naming one conspiracy after another forever. This amounts to nothing but a pile of accusations without foundations which have no effect on anything.
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do you think former press secterary scott mclellan was a liar? did you know that he quit his job recently? any idea who took over his position? Was it former fox news anchor tony snow? Do you think that amounts to something? Huh? Huh?

Heh.

I'd change my mind if it was shown that it wasn't a molten steel. I only came to that conclusion after discovering many claims made by ground zero crew that they said they saw molten steel, videos/pics that showed molten steel, thermal spot scientific data showing that the temprature of several thermal spot exceeded at over 800 degrees so I figured why deny it?
 
geggy said:
I'd change my mind if it was shown that it wasn't a molten steel. I only came to that conclusion after discovering many claims made by ground zero crew that they said they saw molten steel, videos/pics that showed molten steel, thermal spot scientific data showing that the temprature of several thermal spot exceeded at over 800 degrees so I figured why deny it?
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So, you're saying you've changed your mind, then?

The "molten steel" in the pics is glowing at the wrong color; steel is white when melted, not orange.

The "molten steel" puddles found in the wreckage could be cut; they were too soft to be steel.

800 degrees is far below the melting point of steel (although well within range of what a house fire can produce).

You keep assuming molten metal=molten steel. There was an enormous amount of aluminum in the buildings, something that would nicely match the properties of the supposed "molten steel" that everyone claimed to have found.
 
geggy said:
I'd change my mind if it was shown that it wasn't a molten steel. I only came to that conclusion after discovering many claims made by ground zero crew that they said they saw molten steel, videos/pics that showed molten steel, thermal spot scientific data showing that the temprature of several thermal spot exceeded at over 800 degrees so I figured why deny it?
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Ok, how does this prove that there was a conspiracy?
 
geggy said:
do you think former press secterary scott mclellan was a liar?
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So now that you're backed into a corner about your silly assertions that every newsreporter in the country (outside of the "National geographics" staff) is part of the vast conspiracy, you quickly switch to... McLellan and Snow as press secretaries? And what, pray tell, is your point with this? Go ahead and get it out, we'll demolish that one too, so you can shuck and jive over to some other nuttiness.

I'd change my mind if it was shown that it wasn't a molten steel.
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Do you promise? OK, here goes... molten steel is not red-hot, it is white. If a molten metal is red colored, it's not steel. Is there any report anywhere that there was any white-hot molten metal seen? No? Then I expect your announcement that your mind has changed, back to the sane side. Actually, I would be insane if I really expected that. I've heard before that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing repeatedly and expecting a different outcome.
 
I said over 800 degrees. It was found that 5 days after the attack, seevral thermal spots reached at a maximum of 1341 degrees. Someone made an interesting point that it may have been sheet metal from diesel fuel tank. It could be that. But I was convinced by other claims that it probably wasn't it.

Prez of controlled demo, inc and prez of tully construction company both have confirmed that they saw molten steel.
Unless you want to debunk with links from 911myths.com?
 
It's really quite remarkable how someone can be 100% wrong about something. Not partially correct; say, 10, 15%. No, totally in error.

It's a wonder to behold.
 
I gueess tony fox has experience in lying in front of the camera while he was the fox news anchor. so bush figured he'd be the perfect guy for the press secetary position in order to lie for him. I'm sayin that the bush administration has a stranglehold on the media just as hitler did during the nazi regime. If you'd study the history of the third reich, the parellel of the nazi regime and the current bush regime is far too similiar. Afterall bush's grandfather was hitler's banker. Did you know that the nazis were responsible for the reichstag fire?
 
geggy said:
I said over 800 degrees. It was found that 5 days after the attack, seevral thermal spots reached at a maximum of 1341 degrees. Someone made an interesting point that it may have been sheet metal from diesel fuel tank. It could be that. But I was convinced by other claims that it probably wasn't it.

Prez of controlled demo, inc and prez of tully construction company both have confirmed that they saw molten steel.
Unless you want to debunk with links from 911myths.com?
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Ok, regardless of the truth or falsehood of your statement, how does this prove that there was a conspiracy?
 
Steel often melts at around 1370 degrees C (2500°F).

You're still wrong, giggy.

As to your claims that these two persons confirmed molten steel, have anything to back that up? And how did they know it was molten steel? People can be mistaken.

Because, I believe your sources are the same ones that go on to scoop some of it into a bucket, which pretty much proves it wasn't steel (steel at a temperature hot enough to be that soft would have melted the bucket).
 
I'm not sure if you've seen this link but ya should...maybe ya can help me understand it little better...

http://pubs.usgs.gov/of/2001/ofr-01-0429/thermal.r09.html

Bear in mind that the first photo was taken on sept 16, 5 days after the attack. Molten steel were found visible 2 days after the attack meaning it was out in the air for cooldown. Supposedly it was much hotter on the previous daays?
 
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