• Quick note - the problem with Youtube videos not embedding on the forum appears to have been fixed, thanks to ZiprHead. If you do still see problems let me know.

Loose Change

Status
Not open for further replies.
geggy said:
WTC7 housed several goverment agencies such as SEC, secret service, CIA, IRS, etc.

The command center on 23rd floor is intended to coordinate responses to various emergencies, including natural disasters like hurricanes or floods, and terrorist attacks.

WTC7 fell in a controlled demolition manner.

http://pubs.usgs.gov/of/2001/ofr-01-0429/hotspot.key.tgif.small.gif

More on the thermal spot in WTC here: http://pubs.usgs.gov/of/2001/ofr-01-0429/thermal.r09.html

The mysterious collapse of WTC7 was not addressed in the 9/11 commission report.
Click to expand...
no, you blithering scientific incompetent and ranting ijit!
Controlled demolitions are "controlled" so that they will fall in the same manner that a building with its major structural supports damaged falls.
The "controlled" part is the "when", and to allow the "shrapnel" (windows, light fixtures, desks, etc) and dust-making stuff (sheetrock, flooring, etc) to be removed to reduce/eliminate collateral damage.
 
geggy said:
More on the thermal spot in WTC here: http://pubs.usgs.gov/of/2001/ofr-01-0429/thermal.r09.html
Click to expand...
OK, so it was hot five days later. That proves that fires were burning and continued to burn, which seems to support the "fire damage" explanation for the collapse. It offers no evidence one way or another concerning explosives. So why did you bother to post this link? The signal to noise ratio of your posts is pretty high.
 
I will post this yet again...

Go here and click on "detonate" of the computer animation...

http://science.howstuffworks.com/building-implosion1.htm

Now watch this clip of WTC7 falling in slow motion, you'll see the penthouse on the top fell first...

wtc7_collapse_lg.gif
 
geggy said:
I will post this yet again...

Go here and click on "detonate" of the computer animation...

http://science.howstuffworks.com/building-implosion1.htm

Now watch this clip of WTC7 falling in slow motion, you'll see the penthouse on the top fell first...

http://thewebfairy.com/killtown/video/wtc7/wtc7_collapse_lg.gif
Click to expand...
Are you really that stupid? (That is what we call a retorical question--we know you actually are)
See my post 2 up.
A controlled demolition is designed to perform as if the building had major structural damage.
It imitates the WTC collapse, not the other way around...
 
Still haven't answered my question

Geggy, you still haven't really answered my earlier question: If you honestly believe what your fellow CT'ers are saying, what are we supposed to do about this? Being ruled by an evil government controlled by mass-murdering psychotics demands more drastic and immediate action than merely asking questions, doesn't it? You may feel you're "contributing to society" by promoting your theories, but what are we supposed to do? You mention overthrow of the government, do you mean that literally (armed insurrection and all that)? Because surely, for a government capable of pulling off a vast conspiracy of the magnitude of 9/11, fixing a mere election would be child's play, thus the ballot box is no option. Please tell us, what do you expect of us?

Or do you not really expect anything at all, you're just trying to attract attention and achieve some personal sense of significance?
 
geggy said:
I will post this yet again...

Go here and click on "detonate" of the computer animation...

http://science.howstuffworks.com/building-implosion1.htm

Now watch this clip of WTC7 falling in slow motion, you'll see the penthouse on the top fell first...
Click to expand...

How does a building that collapses by other means fall differently? This is crucial if you want to make your point. If, on the other hand, you're just a mindless troll, then never mind.
 
geggy said:
Now watch this clip of WTC7 falling in slow motion, you'll see the penthouse on the top fell first...
Click to expand...
Did it collapse onto the roof of the building, or did it fall down (more or less intact) through the roof of the building?

Also, if I posted pictures of a parakeet's clawed feet, would that be proof that parakeets are cats?
 
Last edited:
Don't think you're supposed to hotlink like that, geggy.
Anyway, why do you think that that penthouses collapsing into the rest of the structure is evidence of a controlled demolition?
 
geggy, I’m sincerely trying to understand what is your theory on september 11, wich I don't completely grasp at the moment.

But looking back, we both agree on the following (correct me if I’m wrong):

-The Us government knew about an impending Al Qaeda attack on American landmarks prior to 9/11 (FACT)
-Al Qaeda operatives highjacked airline planes and redirected them into both towers of the WTC on tuesday morning, september 11 2001. (FACT)
-Both towers fell down a few minutes later crushing every living soul within them.(FACT)
-The Bush administration used the 9/11events and the fear of future massive attacks to validate an invasion of Iraq (FACT)


The next is where we strongly disagree. These next lines are my interpretations of your "claims" (wich are mostly insinuations BTW). Again, feel free to correct me if I’m wrong:

-Due to their buisiness ties with the Bin Laden family (FACT), the Bush administration knew specifically about the Al Qaeda 9/11 plot on the WTC (CAN’T BE PROVEN).
-The Bush administration then proceeded to plant explosives in the buildings so that on the day of the attack, tuesday morning of september 11 2001, they could ignite these explosive devises to make the attacks that much more destructive. (SPECULATION)
-They also put explosives on the WTC7 to get rid of any evidence (SPECULATION)


If I’m getting this right, according to you Al Qaeda were mearly the victims in all of this. They were just a poor islamist extremist group just trying to make a point, who got caught up in this massive world domination plan by the White House. Don’t you see that by inflating the power of the Bush administration, you have scaled down AlQaeda’s role in the equation to a mear accessory? That’s what I think is dangerous. AlQaeda is a real threat, independant of the Bush administration.

I’m not saying the US governent has nothing to do with what hapenned (their foeign policies obviously stimulates terrorism), and by no means do I excuse the war in Iraq, but Iraq is a very complex situation, with many variables, and it can’t be simplified to one group of people’s greed. Invertly, the 9/11 attacks can’t just be about a group of people’s hatred of America, I’ll give you that.

My problem with you here is that you’re putting the Bush administration at the center of everything, like a monotheist god. This is as damaging to democracy as the use of Al Qaeda and terrorism to excuse any use of force by the US. There are alot of grey areas in both cases (9/11 and Iraq), and it is intellectually dumb to simplify everything to "the White House did it". The grey can’t be filled in by shaky theories.
 
Last edited:
Beleth said:
Did it collapse onto the roof of the building, or did it fall down through the roof of the building?

Also, if I posted pictures of a parakeet's clawed feet, would that be proof that parakeets are cats?
Click to expand...

A Collection of Fallacies:

When it's raining, the birds don't sing.
The birds aren't singing.
Therefore, it's raining.

When a person dies, they become very quiet.
Bob is very quiet.
Therefore, Bob is dead.

If done properly, poisoned food tastes like normal food.
My dinner tastes normal.
Therefore, my dinner has been poisoned.

When a building is demolished, the roof of the building falls downwards.
WTC7's roof fell downwards.
Therefore, WTC7 was demolished.

If a person is very intelligent, they are able to post messages in a forum.
geggy posts messages in a forum.
Therefore, geggy is very intelligent. ;)
 
aggle-rithm said:
When a person dies, they become very quiet.
Bob is very quiet.
Therefore, Bob is dead.
Click to expand...

I love this one!

Here is another fallacy:

The Bush administration have had buisiness ties with the Bin Laden family
Ossama Bin Laden planned the attacks on the WTC
Therefore the Bush administration had something to do with 9/11
 
aggle-rithm said:
A Collection of Fallacies:

When it's raining, the birds don't sing.
The birds aren't singing.
Therefore, it's raining.
Click to expand...
Exactly.

There is, however, a fallacy of this type that even skeptics like to fall into, and the first line of the syllogism is:

"A duck quacks like a duck and walks like a duck."
 
geggy said:
First of all I don't think the bush administraion are evil. They're just bunch of wimps giving in as preys of evil. Nothing corrupts a soul more than greed and a bottle of jameson.

Glad I recently switched to Powers!
Click to expand...
 
Belz... said:
Speaking of which, 43, I'd REALLY need someone to help with out with sock-counting.
Click to expand...
You'll count your own socks, and you'll like it, 1! Working in teams reduces your stealthiness and mobility. Besides, you guys might find some way to make it more efficent, like working in an assembly line fashion. That puts the pride of our organization on the line. The tradition of inefficiency goes all the way back to our building the pyramids with kites instead of ramps. Do you want to accidentally ruin thousands of years of tradition by handing 43 half of a pair of socks?

43 has his own work to do right now confusing the Loosers by playing not-so-dead.
 
Polaris...sorry to say this but you're an idiot. And back up to one of my older posts on "conspiracy theory" in this thread and you'll see that in which you've copied and pasted what you thought I said, and I didn't, was written by a reporter who is affiliated with informationclearinghouse.info. I don't agree on most part of what was written although it may hold true in Iraq. Do you realize the US is falling deeper into debt at nearly 9 trillion dollars, up from 2.6 trillion dollars, since bush took power? And guess who is stuck with paying that debt. Federal spending is currently at a whopping 26 trillion dollars by the bush administration alone. From the first president to bill clinton, only 20 trillion was spent. Don't you find that alarming? Oh you're canadian right? What does it matter to you anyway

Make sure you know who you're responding to before you engage in childish name-calling. It just makes your feeble argument sound all the more 'tarded. And I live in Texas.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Back
Top Bottom