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Note: I don't expect anyone to read all of this. It's meant to be more of a scrolly visual aid to understanding the depth of the CTists refusal to present factual evidence that supports their claims.
The thread I started at LC, which was only up for a few days until I was banned, began with the first question below. Pretty simple, right? Maybe too simple, because I had to keep clarifying what It was I was looking for. Anyway, not confrontational at all, on my part.
But the Loosers kept coming back to ME with questions. I answered them ALL, except Roxdog's. He was very rude and I told him he'd need to apologize and agree to a civil and serious discussion before I'd deal with him again. (See, Loosers, you don't have to hide behind mommy's skirts when a big meanie comes around.)
Below is a list of MY questions, all of which went unanswered by the Loosers.
"CD" stands for "controlled demolition"
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Does anyone know of a good resource that attempts to explain in detail how CD at the WTC might have been carried out?
And what type of explosives and wireless detonators can work reliably after being exposed to the impact of aircraft and subsequent extremely high temperatures?
When was that work done, and how could it have gone undetected?
If as you say the buildings were wired to the hilt with explosives, HOW was that work done, HOW did it remain undetected before and after it was completed, and HOW did it survive the trauma of the crashes, explosions and fire?
What do you think about WTC 1, and about the "conventional" demolition of WTC 7?
I repeated this a few times. Your posts didn't address those questions at all. Can you see this?
Do you think it's plausible that the towers were completely wired with explosives in the 1960s and 70s, and WTC 7 in the early 1980s, and that this work went undetected by the workers and inspectors who were there every day for years during construction, and remained undetected until 2001?
How did they do it? Any theories? And who has had their finger on the trigger the whole time?
Do you really think that several million pounds of building falling on itself won't blow out windows?
Can you point out some squibs prior to collapse?
How would you test it? (Roxdog said CD could be tested).
I would like to hear from Roxdog on how CD could be tested. That would have to include, of course, explaining my original questions:
How was the work done?
How did it go undetected?
How did it survive?
I originally was just asking anyone to point me to some resources that attempt to answer these questions. Does anyone know of such resources?
Since you know the "facts," why are you avoiding my questions?
How was the work done?
How did it go undetected?
How did it survive?
Can you think of a rational explanation for that? Such as the air pressure increase caused by 100 million pounds of building falling into itself (each tower weighed in the neighborhood of a billion pounds)?
Any ideas about my questions?
Can you provide evidence for these "facts"? Or are they speculation on your part?
If you're talking about me, Roxdog, can you be specific, please?
The claims in that material were easily refuted there, and people had plenty of questions for you, but you didn't stick around for the discussion. Why?
How was the work done?
How did it go undetected?
How did it survive?
Zor (or anyone) do you know the engineer's name and affiliation?
Still here, Roxdog? And still unwilling to share your "expertise"? Why? That's a serious question. Why?
I'll say it again: do you think what you're doing is helpful? Is it mature?
Alek, the very questions I'm seeking answers to here, I asked directly of you on the JREF forum. You didn't reply.
I encourage you to go back and read the post Roxdog started there as "conspiracybeliever," then give me specifics that will back up your story.
I spent hours on that response. You may disagtree with what I said in it, but is that a case of me slobbering over what other JREFers said? Is that being "half-baked?"
I'm stunned at how often I see CD proponents trumpet their beliefs as facts. You can see several examples of that just within this thread. Why is that tolerated?
Zor, you asked me to read a technical paper, and gave a link titled "Mechanical engineer blows apart the 'PANCAKE THEORY." BUT YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THE PAPER IS WRITTEN BY A MECHANICAL ENGINEER?
Zor, how do you respond to the FACT that THE PEOPLE THAT YOU AND OTHER CD PROPONENTS TOUT AS THE MASTERS OF THE ART OF CONTROLLED DEMOLITION CONSIDER THE "CONTROLLED DEMOLITION THEORY" OF THE WORLD TRADE CENTER "LUDICROUS" AND "NOT CREDIBLE?"
WILL YOU BE ADJUSTING YOUR VIEWS, OR WILL YOU BE ADDING CDI (Controlled Demolitions Inc.) TO THE "CONSPIRATORS" LIST?
I would like your reply on this.
Alek, if you're reading this, does Sultanist's interest in the truth strike you as "half-assed?" Does mine?
If my claim is that meteorites took down the WTC buildings, should I now be angry that the debris was not inspected for meteorite dust?
Can you name a single expert in any of the above-named professions who worked on the investigation and who is a proponent of the CD conspiracy theory?
...Speaking of which, please provide evidence that
– "The facts in this case are few," and
– "We have been shown deliberate deception."
Can you provide a list of structural engineers who agree with Jones's claims?
I don't know what's in the (unreleased WTC 7) report, but if it doesn't support CD, are you going to claim that all of the people and organizations involved are part of a conspiracy?
Does it?
Thanks Didga, but before I check out those videos, can you PLEASE confirm, to the best of your recollection, that they address the questions I've been posing in this thread:
How was the CD work accomplished? (The job of getting access and placing the explosives)
How did it remain unseen?
How did it survive?
I should expect "smart arse" answers? Are you kidding?
Have I provided evidence to refute your claim?
Alek, I ask you (and anyone else who cares to answer): what evidence would you accept as proof that the CD conspiracy claim is wrong?
Should I not take that seriously? Should I, like Zor and Roxdog, now imply that CDI may be CONSPIRATORS?
Does anyone know different?
How was the CD work accomplished?
How did it go – and remain – unseen?
How did it survive?
t's over 800 views and 95 posts later, and no one has provided a theory or a link to a resource that might lead to a plausible explanation. Does that concern anyone here?
I ask you, Mr. prosecutor, have you made your case to the jury?
Please provide me with three peices of evidence that support your claim and that are not speculation.
SUPPOSE PERSON B WAS DEAD? THEN NO CLAIM THEY MADE IN THEIR LIFETIME COULD BE REFUTED?
PLEASE try to think critically. And what's with the name calling? How old are you? Will you please stop that?
Now it's time for the $1 million challenge. Alek, YOU keep bringing it up, so I'm gonna have to ask you to tell everyone here: what is my "Worldview?"
YOU'RE SAYING A PLANE DIDN'T HIT THE SOUTH TOWER?
Please provide me with three pieces of evidence that support your case and that are not conjectural.
And while you're at it, wanna take a stab at my original questions?
Well, I never claimed steel melted at 2000 F, did somebody?
By what measurements are you judging the "no sagging?
I asked you for to name one expert from each discipline I listed who worked on the investigation and who supports the conspiracy claim. Again, please name them.
But wasn't it ME who came HERE looking for info?
Quest, you asked me three times to respond to your questions (give a guy a chance to get some dinner, willya!). And now for some reason my response is not welcome? Please explain.
Whatever caused that building to fall, is there something about that photo that does not show debris falling considerably faster than the building is collapsing?
What, specifically, do you disagree with in my response? I keep asking people to deal in specifics, and in response I get statements like "you don't know what you're talking about."
What have I "been given enough time" for, exactly?
And what does this mean, Quest: "I don't know who you are...?" I'm asking a serious question.
If I've done something that's inconsistent with that goal, please tell me. If not, then why are you so defensive about someone who's only been looking into these issues for a couple of weeks?
I asked if those videos you recommended were relevant to my questions. Are they, to the best of your recollection?
Does he present all the facts, or does he cherry-pick those that fit his claim, and twist those that don't?
Did you look at the video of the WTC 7 fire?
That's my theory, and I can't for the life of me figure out why it wasn't investigated when physical evidence was still available, and why a commission isn't investigating it now. Can you, Robo?
Where has that "investigation" led?
So why do you think CD advocates like Steven Jones don't show these views, but show the north side only, the side that the wind is coming FROM?
You said that neither you nor Jones (I don't know how you speak for him) have seen evidence of an enormous fire in WTC 7. Do you see it now?
So what WAS he doing?
Is that a statement of fact, or an opinion? Can you provide a source for it?
Now, why did that happen? Hint: what happened to the air?
Hint: what happened to the air when the 4" slab was pulverized by the 200 million pounds?
Okay, means you're getting at, but what are you assuming about motive and opportunity?
WHERE IN THE WORLD ARE YOU GETTING YOUR INFORMATION?
AND WHY WOULD YOU REPEAT IT WITHOUT CHECKING IT OUT??
You certainly didn't try very hard. It took me a total of 3 minutes to find the two videos. If you're seeking the "truth," why didn't you see them long ago? Why didn't Jones?
Why didn't Jones mention that there was as much as 50,000 gallons of diesel fuel in the building?
And why doesn't Jones mention the reports of the senior firefighters who were on the scene?
What's your minimum standard for someone you believe to be a solid proponent of your conspiracy theory? Wouldn't honesty be a good place to start?
Zor, I have no idea what the title of your post means, but you can do better than that "garlic and grass" link, can't you?
Can you point me to what you believe is suspicious about the [Silverstein] takeover, WHICH WAS THE RESULT OF AN OPEN-BID PROCESS, as opposed to any other takeover of a huge corporation or complex?
Seriously, please name a similar-sized takeover anywhere in the world, at any time, in which simillar changes were NOT made.
What exactly is your claim or implication regarding Silverstein & co.? And what is your evidence to support that claim or implication?
Lastly, what is an "overt agenda?"
Why in the world are conspiricy theorists so unable to do the most basic fact-checking?
When are you going to buckle down and apply some intellectual rigor to this subject? Why are you so afraid of facts? Why are you so willing to believe disreputable people?
(Banned)
