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Loose Change

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I emailed the producer of the Loose Change DVD yesterday and invited him over. Here it is (most recent email on top. okay so I started the discussion rather immaturely hehe):

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**** wrote:

You are selling these DVD's? Profiting off of this?

You people are scum. Get f****d.

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Dylan Avery wrote:
mike, go watch it for free:

http://www.question911.com
http://video.google.com

Oh, and did you miss this notice on our front page?

"We will gladly send a free DVD to anybody who lost friends or family on September 11th, 2001"

Why don't you send an e-mail to Michael Moore? Fahrenheit 9-11 put $50 million straight into his pocket. And why don't you do some research while you're at it?
-dylan
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Sir,
Actually, I have done all you suggested. I have also participated in discussions regarding this film, which I have seen in its entirety. How could I possibly research your prepoterous claims when all the structural engineers and credible - I say credible - evidence is against it? There is no evidence to look at aside from your film.

What exactly should I research that backs up your claims? Where is this evidence? Where are the experts? Demolitions experts and structural engineers agree that the logistics of setting up such a large scale controlled demolition would be such a huge undertaking as to be virtually impossible, especially without anyone noticing the preparation.

Knocking out walls, cutting support beams in preparation....have you ever seen the amount of work that goes into a building demolition? Obviously not.

I HAVE done my research. Point me to a single peer reviewed (or not) study from a structural engineer that disputes the official story. Just one.

If you would like to see a thorough debunking of Loose Change, I suggest you visit the James Randi forum where some of your minions have been trying to convince us of this conspiracy.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=53102

If you are really concerned, answer me this. What are you people doing besides selling videos? Are you petitioning Congress or filing any lawsuits with all this hard evidence?

At least Michael Moore attempted to back up his claims with more than just a few "suspicious looking" video tapes. I won't debate you via email.

If you would like to join the discussion at this site I invite you to do so. I promise you will be treated cordially. I know my original email wasn't very polite, but I personally have grown tired of this sort of baseless conspiracy junk.
 
What sad paranoia.
First, "Endtimes" Quest posed some questions to me. Then he badgered me with two posts and a PM within a few hours, when I was out. When I responded honestly, he wigged out said I had overstayed my welcome.
I asked for specifics and got no reply. Then he said I was bothering people and was banned. Bothering people, on a thread I started? I didn't go to anyone else's thread. None. He must think I have some magic powers of attraction. But its it's more than Quest: Loosers can't defend themselves after coming to my thread and debating? I want to laugh about this but I find it terribly, terribly depressing that people can be so delusional.
 
They are being really nice to me at the moment. I'm thinking maybe there is something to this whole conspiracy thing. Look at the video guys.
























:D
 
You had me there for about 4 seconds, RandFan. My blood pressure actually went up, I swear!
 
Dragon said:
Gravy, and the rest you who are doing battle in another place - regarding Aluminium/Aluminum:-

Remembering vaguely some stuff from the Falklands War (HMS Sheffield etc) I did a bit of Googling and found the site of the Aluminium Federation here in the UK. In particular this page on 'Aluminium and Fire' has a very interesting picture of a burnt-out car which graphically illustrates the difference between the melting points of steel and aluminium alloys.

btw - you're doing great, I'm sure it makes a difference to the fence sitters and lurkers.
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Excellent link, Dragon! I now have it bookmarked for posterity. Thanks very much.

I agree with you about the fence-sitters and lurkers.

It seems the types of people believing those claims generally swallow what they read whole, no questions asked. At least if they are presented with evidence that contradicts those claims at the site they read regularly, they may be forced to weigh up the information.
 
schplurg said:
Dylan Avery wrote:

Oh, and did you miss this notice on our front page?

"We will gladly send a free DVD to anybody who lost friends or family on September 11th, 2001"
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:mad: :mad: (I saw that a while ago - don't remind me!)

Translation (paraphrasing Nyarlathotep):

"We will gladly defecate on your memories and the graves of your friends or family."

schplurg, thanks for sharing those emails with us. I'd like to see him here where he will be confronted with some real evidence.
 
orphia nay said:
Excellent link, Dragon! I now have it bookmarked for posterity. Thanks very much.

I agree with you about the fence-sitters and lurkers.

It seems the types of people believing those claims generally swallow what they read whole, no questions asked. At least if they are presented with evidence that contradicts those claims at the site they read regularly, they may be forced to weigh up the information.
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I find Dragon's abuse of aluminum deleterious to the feng shui of this board. You are banished, Dragon. Begone!
 
orphia nay said:
"We will gladly defecate on your memories and the graves of your friends or family."
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But it's a FREE DVD! Those things make great coasters and frisbees! When you really think about it in the big scheme of things, those families are actually pretty lucky! The rest of us have to go all the way to Google Video and type in two words to find a free copy of this outstanding film.

:rolleyes:
 
I'm in a debate about this stuff at another forum, and the CTer continually refers to LC. I am unable to download or view it on the PC I use at home, so am unable to check the claims of the 'manufacturers' that 'prove' the wheel and engine parts found at the Pentagon are not those of a 757.

I've asked for names, positions, and locations of these 'manufacturers', but I'm not having much luck.

(This is someone who believes a 757 did not hit the Pentagon, but he:
admits he doesn't know what happened to the plane full of passengers,
admits he doesn't know how a wheel and engine parts got into the debris,
and is close to admitting Mari-Rae Sopper not die as a result of Flight 77 hitting the Pentagon, despite her being on the plane and her remains having been identified in the debris...)

:rolleyes:
 
orphia nay said:
I'm in a debate about this stuff at another forum, and the CTer continually refers to LC. I am unable to download or view it on the PC I use at home, so am unable to check the claims of the 'manufacturers' that 'prove' the wheel and engine parts found at the Pentagon are not those of a 757.

I've asked for names, positions, and locations of these 'manufacturers', but I'm not having much luck.

(This is someone who believes a 757 did not hit the Pentagon, but he:
admits he doesn't know what happened to the plane full of passengers,
admits he doesn't know how a wheel and engine parts got into the debris,
and is close to admitting Mari-Rae Sopper not die as a result of Flight 77 hitting the Pentagon, despite her being on the plane and her remains having been identified in the debris...)

:rolleyes:
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There's a good quote from someone who handled plane and body parts here: http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html?page=6&c=y

Another good general 9/11 debunking site with links to Pentagon photos is http://www.911myths.com The wheel rim comparison is particularly telling.
 
Gravy said:
I find Dragon's abuse of aluminum deleterious to the feng shui of this board. You are banished, Dragon. Begone!
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Aluminium, mmmmm, the metal that melts in your mouth but not in your hand!
 
Pablo on the Loose Change forum said:
celter said:
No wonder he's making some people here feel very uncomfortable.
You can close your eyes, stick your fingers in your ears, and hum really loud, but if you choose to simply ignore people like Gravy, you are deluding yourself. Ultimately, this movement will have to stand and face people like Gravy

Anyone with an ounce of objectivity here knows exactly why Gravy was banned.
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I agree. Being banned for "less than honest debate" has got to be one of the strangest reasons I've ever heard. Imagine the furore that would have been created if this reason had been given on a pro-government forum.

Actually what is "less than honest debate". He can only debate if others respond to his posts can't he? Are you now saying you dictate what can and can't be discussed? And why ban Gravy rather than the people who were also part of the debate? From this I take it to mean that "less than honest debate" means that anyone who takes part in a debate who doesn't already believe that 9/11 was a government conspiracy will get banned.

The Loose Change video will get more people interested and asking questions, but as soon as they do any more in depth research and start looking at these kind of forums the majority of people will run a mile.

I also see a thread dicussing the banning of Gravy seems to have disappeared too. Cover-up?

I came here as someone open to any possibility, but what I've seen has made me think this "truth" has no credibility whatsoever. I started off by asking some questions which I didn't understand, got some answers but also some patronising and hostile replies. Now I just come here for entertainment. The thread showing the in-fighting between different 9/11 truth camps is hilarious.

I don't understand what is meant by a poster taking up too much of your time either, how is someone posting taking up too much time? You just want people to hear what you have to say and agree without questioning you? If someone is taking up too much of your time, why don't you just let others debate with him and you do something else with your time.

For entertainment purposes this site is good, and quite eye-opening too (not necessarily for the reasons some would hope for). I can understand how people can become what they are fighting against by reading this.
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http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=1765&st=150

:D
 
Gravy said:
There's a good quote from someone who handled plane and body parts here: http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html?page=6&c=y

Another good general 9/11 debunking site with links to Pentagon photos is http://www.911myths.com The wheel rim comparison is particularly telling.
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Thanks, Gravy. Annoyngly, I find now that linking to the Popular Mechanics article makes them link to a serendipity.com(or some such) which 'debunks' that site, and they fail to address your exact point. Though I'm glad you made me look at that page again, because this CTer was talking about the intact windows, which are actually blast-resistant.

I came back to add that if I get the names etc. of the 'manufacturers' in LC, I will try and check their credentials, hopefully with the help of a friend who works for Boeing in Seattle.

I've shown this CTer this site
http://www.rense.com/general32/phot.htm
(from rense.com, no less, and linked to by 911myths.com) but he still adheres to the anonymous sources in 'Loose Change'. :rolleyes:
 
By the way - the Popular Mechanics 9/11 pages are very hard to read for me because they're laid out to be three or four screens wide, and I have to scroll left and right to read each line. Does anyone else see this? I'm using Firefox.
 
Sultanist said:
Believe me, the response will be as predictable as the sun rising. I could almost write their script right now. :D
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Well I'll be damned, they sure fooled me. They weren't as predictable as I thought. They're back to claiming that the building should have fallen over like a tree. Even I never could have predicted anything as assinine as that. :D
 
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