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rwguinn said:
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You're right. This conspiracy goes further into the past than we figured. All the way back to GHWB!!
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It goes back to King Tut, actually. We had to start early on this one. It was a doosey! Do you have any idea how hard it is to plot something like this before architecture or aviation have even been invented yet?! Fortunately, our head start allowed us to get the plans written up before that damn Newton went and proved it was all impossible.
 
A further note on the melting of aluminium. I spent the years from 1972 to 1991 performing fire resistance tests, which included a lot of fire resistng doors. In a half hour test the temperature reaches about 850 Deg C. It was normal to see the aluminium door handles as a lump on the floor of the test furnace after having melted during and solidified after the test. The steel parts of the lock/latch mechanism would still be in place.

Dave
 
Pedant/nitpick mode on

I have seen in various posts that reference is made to fireproofing of the steel. Nothing can make the steel fireproof. What is applied is fire protection which protects the steel for a period of time from the effects of fire.

Pedant/nitpick mode off

The protection is not indefinite. Typically the protection will be for one or two hours of specified exposure to fire. This means that in practice the protection may last a longer or shorter time, depending on the severity of the fire exposure. This also assumes it has not been damaged, for example by the impact of a large body.

Dave
 
Quite the "Truth Movement" they have there at Loose Change. Wow. That was way worse than I expected.

TheQuest Posted: Apr 9 2006, 08:29 PM

Gravy,

In another time we might have spent more time with you but time is of the essence now and you've wasted far too much of it and have upset regular members with less than honest debate.

You are banned.
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I guess "time s of the essence" explains why they can't take 30 seconds to check a single fact.

If anyone's interested, I encourage you to go to the LC thread I started and judge for yourself if my debate was "less than honest." $100 goes to anyone who can show that it was. Quest gets involved on page 5:
http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=1765&st=120

Better yet, go to any thread there and link to mine with the question "Why was this person banned?" Maybe there are some independent thinkers there who will raise a fuss.

There are some absolute doozies from the Loosers in there. Mind you, I went there looking for info from their perspective, not to challenge anyone, and they bombarded me with questions. So I answered.The wild thing is, I've only been looking into these issues for a matter of DAYS, and was able to refute every woo claim with facts almost immediately.

Banned? Promoted to sanity is more like it. Good grief.

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Gravy said:
Quite the "Truth Movement" they have there at Loose Change. Wow. That was way worse than I expected.


I guess "time s of the essence" explains why they can't take 30 seconds to check a single fact.

If anyone's interested, I encourage you to go to the LC thread I started and judge for yourself if my debate was "less than honest." $100 goes to anyone who can show that it was. Quest gets involved on page 5:
http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=1765&st=120

Better yet, go to any thread there and link to mine with the question "Why was this person banned?" Maybe there are some independent thinkers there who will raise a fuss.

There are some absolute doozies from the Loosers in there. Mind you, I went there looking for info from their perspective, not to challenge anyone, and they bombarded me with questions. So I answered.The wild thing is, I've only been looking into these issues for a matter of DAYS, and was able to refute every woo claim with facts almost immediately.

Banned? Promoted to sanity is more like it. Good grief.

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"Why was Gravy banned?"

We'll see what they say.
 
chipmunk stew said:
"Why was Gravy banned?"

We'll see what they say.
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Thanks Chipmunk. Quest posted that several long-termers complained about me...wonder if that's true or if they'll pop up. Roxdog was awfully silent after I told him to apologize. I loved Quest's quote, "I don't know who you are, but..." as if I was some kind of ringer. What a maroon!
 
(TheQuest @ Apr 9 2006, 04:59 PM)
Chipmunk stew,
What are you sorry for?

Chipmunk: I'm sorry that you've become what you're fighting against.
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Best. Response. Ever.
 
That you, Quest?

By the way, if anyone needs a good video that refutes the idea that there wasn't a massive fire in WTC 7, this will do it:WTC 7 Inferno (warning, it's 26+megs. You may want to download and view later)

On that page go to 2:58 in this movie: wtc_plusrubble.mov - 30megs There is a 10-second, clear, HQ view of black smoke pouring out of almost every visible floor (the lighter colored smoke in the low foreground is from tower rubble). CDers said there was no clear video of this event. It took me 2 minutes to find it. And if you want a kick on that site click on the video "Natural clouds aren't geometric" to see what the moron thinks is a geometric cloud.

My last post of the day over there was going to be a challenge to Robo prove that the government and major media have covered up the OK City bombing in 1995. He says he knows as a fact that additional explosives were used in teh Murrah building, and I want to see his proof. He's using this idea, as others are there, as "evidence" against Controlled Demolition Inc." to further their 9/11 conspiracy theory.
(Robo on Loose Change "Controlled Demolitioons" thread: You just don't get it. You just aren't living in the real world with regard to our Justice system and our media. You're being lied to. If you will sincerely listen to what I'm trying to tell you, your world might just change. Maybe you really don't want that though. I know for a fact that federal authorities already have this evidence
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Anyone wanna request that proof? It sure seems that's our duty as Americans to get this info out there.You can say it was my request because I didn't get to finish posting today.
 
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Gravy said:
Quite the "Truth Movement" they have there at Loose Change. Wow. That was way worse than I expected.


I guess "time s of the essence" explains why they can't take 30 seconds to check a single fact.

If anyone's interested, I encourage you to go to the LC thread I started and judge for yourself if my debate was "less than honest." $100 goes to anyone who can show that it was. Quest gets involved on page 5:
http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=1765&st=120

Better yet, go to any thread there and link to mine with the question "Why was this person banned?" Maybe there are some independent thinkers there who will raise a fuss.

There are some absolute doozies from the Loosers in there. Mind you, I went there looking for info from their perspective, not to challenge anyone, and they bombarded me with questions. So I answered.The wild thing is, I've only been looking into these issues for a matter of DAYS, and was able to refute every woo claim with facts almost immediately.

Banned? Promoted to sanity is more like it. Good grief.

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Oh no! :brokenheart: :(

You were kicking ass and taking names over there, Gravy!

P.S. I'm still not banned... I'm biding my time to let them forget about us... then I plan on making a BIG post. ;)
 
Maybe I'm being overly optimistic, but it seems from some of the posts there, that we are having a good impact on some of the less extreme LC forumites.
 
Look at this mind-boggling quote from the LC admin FM258:
And people who have already made up there mind, and are only here to cause a stir and argue endlessly will be shown the door. I feel we are past whether or not this was a conspiracy, and now on to the details.
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Unless they've made up their mind that it is a massive gov't conspiracy, in fact having made up your mind that it is a massive gov't conspiracy is apparently a requirement for posting on that forum.

Conspiranazis.
 
This is what RedPillNeo had to say:

Learn to be more accepting of suggestions and criticism. Experience has shown me that people who gush praise tend to offer NO useful information. The people who criticise, question, argue, and contradict, on the other hand, are a WEALTH of useful information, IF you learn to see and use it. This took me years to "get", by the way. In my own studies and activism, it has almost always been doubters who drop the golden nugget of an idea, point up weaknesses in data, evidence, and presentation, shed light on areas that need clarification, reveal new angles of attack upon theories, and perhaps most importantly, provided insight into the mindset of opponents. All of this information has helped me become a better activist and debater. It is a longer and more frustrating, and you don't get the instant gratification that a screaming match or flaming post can offer. To be a good activist, one must learn patience, because humans are reluctant to change their minds, and even more reluctant to do so in front of someone during a debate.
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That idea didn't last long.
 
RandFan said:
This is what RedPillNeo had to say:

That idea didn't last long.
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Here's what TheQuest is proposing--"Wisdom Of Allowing Trolls To Overstay Visit":
To LC staff,

With the internet freedom being threatend on a daily basis and the impending attack on Iran, I question the wisdom of letting obvious trolls overstay their welcome on LC forums.

My time could be much better spent burning DVD's and spreading the truth as opposed to letting non-productive people clutter the boards and ticking off productive members in dishonest debate.

For the life of me I can't see the wisdom of letting this continue unabatted.

It's one thing to let people come in and debate until we are more sure of their intentions but it's another animal altogether to let them purposely bog down our efforts. This is not like we are debating art or religion and we have forever. We do not. Our time is limited as are our resources. Wouldn't our time be much better spent to help legit newbies and with activism? Furthermore, we are about to attack Iran, possibly with nuclear weapons and we risk WW3. In the background looms another 911.

As I write there are several visitors here that are dragging us down and I am about to put a stop to it. Please get back to me asap so that we can discuss the topic and act accordingly.

Thanks
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http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=2071
 
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