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Psychics and Missing People

I'll help any way I can. What do you have in mind, Tony?
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To be honest I haven't given it much thought. I was thinking maybe those of us in the UK might be able to offer a join challenge on various websites challenging psychics to come up with evidence that they a) have been asked to assist by the police and b) the information helped solve the crime. I wasn't thinking of offering a cash challenge just asking for some kind of proof.

Anyway something like that - but as I say I haven't really thought about it. Any suggestions?

Tony
 
Perhaps we could initiate something from the US via the in progress Psychic Predators site.

Claus? Fowlsound? What say you?

We would need volunteers to track incoming claims. We already have the basis of an online submission form on the site.
 
We would need volunteers to track incoming claims. We already have the basis of an online submission form on the site.
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I doubt that we would get many UK psychics actually contact us but certainly we should be ready to follow up if needed.

I don't know if there's anyone here from the Irish Skeptics Society but they could join in too. Probably it would be a good idea to see a show of hands before we go much further.

I'm in!
 
tonyyouens said:
I doubt that we would get many UK psychics actually contact us but certainly we should be ready to follow up if needed.

I don't know if there's anyone here from the Irish Skeptics Society but they could join in too. Probably it would be a good idea to see a show of hands before we go much further.

I'm in!
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I doubt that we would get a large number of submissions here either, as they would have to submit:

A) Their true identity and contact info
B) Information about how they assisted with a specific case and the outcome of the information and "help" they provided
AND
C) Contact info for the LE (Law Enforcement) agency, all of which would be verified
 
KellyJ said:
I doubt that we would get a large number of submissions here either, as they would have to submit:

A) Their true identity and contact info
B) Information about how they assisted with a specific case and the outcome of the information and "help" they provided
AND
C) Contact info for the LE (Law Enforcement) agency, all of which would be verified
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Based on that information requirement, I predict you will be able to count on one hand the number of submissions you will receive over the lifetime of the project.
 
Gr8wight said:
Based on that information requirement, I predict you will be able to count on one hand the number of submissions you will receive over the lifetime of the project.
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I suppose we could just do C) Contact info for the LE (Law Enforcement) agency, which would be verified.

We could then try to satisfy the question as to whether or not LE requests their help and pays for it, and if in their opinion, the psychics' tips ever solved a crime. We would then have a survey that reflected LE's opinion about the matter.

Adding A and B would give us a more well rounded answer to the question of psychics' abilities to solve cases.

The UK study was done by going directly to LE and asking the question. To survey all LE in the US would be quite a task. I wonder what percentage of LE asked and responses received would suffice to give an accepted result.
 
KellyJ said:
Perhaps we could initiate something from the US via the in progress Psychic Predators site.

Claus? Fowlsound? What say you?

We would need volunteers to track incoming claims. We already have the basis of an online submission form on the site.
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Fowlsound hasn't had internet for a while. Hopefully he'll be back up and online soon! I just wanted to let you know he wasn't ignoring you.
 
delphi_ote said:
KellyJ, what you're doing here is really just awesome. If the idea hasn't already been put out there, would you consider giving a paper presentation at the next Amazing Meeting? I know you would be fantastic.
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Kelly, this is definitely a good idea. And I think that if you have trouble being there financially, there are people here, myself included, who would gladly contribute to your registration.

And I'm glad you changed your mind about the "humor" thing! :)
 
KellyJ said:
I wonder what percentage of LE asked and responses received would suffice to give an accepted result.
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It wouldn't matter to the psychics. As I found when I queried them, they simply claim that the LE agencies are reticent about admitting to using psychics. They have an excuse for everything.

(edited to add: damn, Kelly, now you've got me using your short forms)
 
KellyJ said:
A comment about the blog series received via email from a woman who does not have a missing person in her life, and who was also neutral on the subject beforehand:

"Kelly I am blown away with your recent postings. I wish this series could post on every site that mentions missing people. Everyone needs to read this series. It is such an important education for those of us who don't know the details of these missing people cases. The pain just jumps off the pages and gets you thinking about the real harm caused by psychics. I never had a clue what the harm was in hearing these people out until I read this series of postings. I can say now that I am outraged by shows that are doing these readings on TV -- it is sick.

I'm sure it was very difficult to post things that brought back your own suffering but bless you for doing it. I've got such insight that I didn't have before. Thank you so much for your postings."
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One down....

Congratulations Kelly!!

As an aside, I haven't heard from the Denver Post reporter, yet regarding her article on a local medium. I'm hoping it's because she's too busy reading your blog.
 
delphi_ote said:
Fowlsound hasn't had internet for a while. Hopefully he'll be back up and online soon! I just wanted to let you know he wasn't ignoring you.
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Thank you for letting me know. I noticed he hadn't been around.

RSLancastr said:
Kelly, this is definitely a good idea. And I think that if you have trouble being there financially, there are people here, myself included, who would gladly contribute to your registration.
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I don't know much about the scholarship, other than its existence. I would guess we should see what comes of that first. Thank you for your generosity.

Gr8wight said:
It wouldn't matter to the psychics. As I found when I queried them, they simply claim that the LE agencies are reticent about admitting to using psychics. They have an excuse for everything.

(edited to add: damn, Kelly, now you've got me using your short forms)
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LOL If I can learn something from you, I would guess you might learn something from me.

Yes, they would have an excuse for everything, but the more we can help the general public understand, isn't that the bottom line? I'm not sure how many psychics will come clean because of education.
 
I would hardly consider that to be off-topic. If anything, it reiterates what we should have been concentrating on all along, except the "psychics" insist on interfering for their own selfish reasons.

Great article, and congrats, Kelly!
 
KellyJ said:
Thanks, RT!

Here's another media outlet giving psychics validity:
http://www.nbc4i.com/news/8474636/detail.html

I wonder if they'll do a follow up to tell us that they were wrong. I doubt it. They even name the psychics.
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I have opened an email correspondence with the reporter who did the story. He basically said that unless the psychics are directly responsible for finding the missing college student, they will not be mentioned again. I outlined my concerns about that, and pointed him to your blog series, Kelly. I'll let you know if anything further comes of it.
 
Gr8wight said:
I have opened an email correspondence with the reporter who did the story. He basically said that unless the psychics are directly responsible for finding the missing college student, they will not be mentioned again. I outlined my concerns about that, and pointed him to your blog series, Kelly. I'll let you know if anything further comes of it.
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Thank you for contacting him and giving him the blog link. I just don't see the reason for even bringing it up. I hope the reporter will open to understanding what impact this has. I know you did a fine job in acting as a voice of reason amidst this insanity.
 
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