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Psychics and Missing People

delphi_ote said:
Take the test and use the money to feed starving children. Prove to the world and all the skeptics once and for all that psychic powers are real. Win the Nobel Prize and feed more starving children. Start a revolution in science and alter the course of history.

One simple test is all it would take.
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I'll prove that this is the real deal. But feeding starving children for a day isn't going to make a big impact is it? I'd sooner take the money, and live life as I do now, and help solve the bigger problems of the world. But for now, one small step at a time aye?
 
Zoinked168 said:
Kelly, Before I can answer your valid questions, I have one for you. What is a "normal ability"? The whole concept behind ESP is that everyone could potentially tap into this unused resource in our brain. This is why I suggest you try it yourself.

I have briefly talked about locating people with my past mentor sometime ago now. I have some rough idea where to start but even with a natural ability, it is useless without a good technique. Everything connected to humans has evolved and improved over time, even thinking and logic for example. It would require a lot of my time to develop this independently. This is one skill out of dozens of known phenomena, and there are still limitless of unknown ones too yet to be developed. If you have looked into energy practices such as Qi-Gong you will notice that the technique has practically not evolved at all since it was established and there is only "one way of doing it", this I believe to be false not to question and improve upon something which dates back thousands of years.

I really hope you can see my view-point on this and see if it makes a little sense.

I hope that once I have established myself as genuine you will take my words more to heart. Until then, take it as you will. I force feed no one. I only ask for everyone and anyone who takes an interest in ESP to experiment for themselves before they apply straight-up knock'em down approach. Perhaps I am naive in my belief's, but regardless I see the practicalities and possible usages for the world we live in today.

I'm off to bed now. I hope that this has partly answered your questions. I will elaborate and answer any more questions you may have when I am able too :)
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You need to start your own thread with this. You did not answer any of my questions, but instead posed new ones which are off topic for this subject matter. Please be considerate and not hijack this thread with your desired topic.
 
Zoinked168 said:
This term is coined too loosely for start and what I do know is that I deal with the manipulation of quantimbioelectromagnetic energy.
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Really? Now my Magical Superpowers are caused by radiotelebiomagnoelectric radiation ... which makes my Magic Superpowers even more scientific than yours.

And, alas, equally undemonstrable.

I have nothing to prove but to myself. I hope people will understand that one day ... This is bigger than the material world...doesn't anyone see that yet?!
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Since apparently you refuse to demonstrate your supposed powers to the waiting world, it seems no-one's ever going to "see" or "understand" anything.

Put up or shut up.

I have no intentions of being a lab rat for the rest of my life.
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You should consider it. Muridae is a step up from Mustelidae.
 
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Shame on you zoinked168. Shame on you.

Can we look at what you just did?

You took advantage of a woman's tragedy in order to create a place for you to spout off about your magical ability. Complete with a made up magic word and a refusal to take the paranormal challenge. You are a piece of work alright.

Here's something I dare you to do.

Look yourself in the mirror and ask yourself, "Did I just tell a woman (who made it very clear that she didn't want to hear from the likes of me) that her kid was dead so that I could feel special and important and get people to talk to me?"

"Did I just go onto a discussion thread that was specifically about how damaging psychics are to the families of the missing, and take their attention away from what they were doing in order to make my own little psychic prediction of the most horrible kind to the family of a missing person?"

For a guy who thinks he can see into other peoples' hearts, I'd say you missed by a mile on that one, kiddo.

I'll second what Dr Adequate said. Put up or shut up.

On a different thread.
 
meg said:
Shame on you zoinked168. Shame on you.

Can we look at what you just did?

You took advantage of a woman's tragedy in order to create a place for you to spout off about your magical ability. Complete with a made up magic word and a refusal to take the paranormal challenge. You are a piece of work alright.

Here's something I dare you to do.

Look yourself in the mirror and ask yourself, "Did I just tell a woman (who made it very clear that she didn't want to hear from the likes of me) that her kid was dead so that I could feel special and important and get people to talk to me?"

"Did I just go onto a discussion thread that was specifically about how damaging psychics are to the families of the missing, and take their attention away from what they were doing in order to make my own little psychic prediction of the most horrible kind to the family of a missing person?"

For a guy who thinks he can see into other peoples' hearts, I'd say you missed by a mile on that one, kiddo.

I'll second what Dr Adequate said. Put up or shut up.

On a different thread.
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Hey Zoe,
I'm agreeing with Meg wholeheartedly, in a kind way, on all of this and if you look at my earliest posts you'll know that I have been fully open about being a believer. You appear to be very well meaning but I think you need to examine yourself clearly and take her criticisms as constructive (and kind).
 
Hey Zoe,

When you return, please be sure to start your own thread as strongly suggested. I would still like to know the answers to my previous questions.

RL: I'm not going to do a post with psychic jokes. While generic psychic jokes don't bother me, they might bother other people. Not only that, but I do think a post like that would detract from the seriousness of the subject matter. I was at a low when I asked that, but sense is prevailing now.

All: I just love Meg, and especially when she gets riled up. The thing about Meg is, that even though angered, she still is dead on in her reasoning. It's that mom in her.

Kelly
 
meg said:
Shame on you zoinked168. Shame on you.

Can we look at what you just did?

You took advantage of a woman's tragedy in order to create a place for you to spout off about your magical ability. Complete with a made up magic word and a refusal to take the paranormal challenge. You are a piece of work alright.

Here's something I dare you to do.

Look yourself in the mirror and ask yourself, "Did I just tell a woman (who made it very clear that she didn't want to hear from the likes of me) that her kid was dead so that I could feel special and important and get people to talk to me?"

"Did I just go onto a discussion thread that was specifically about how damaging psychics are to the families of the missing, and take their attention away from what they were doing in order to make my own little psychic prediction of the most horrible kind to the family of a missing person?"

For a guy who thinks he can see into other peoples' hearts, I'd say you missed by a mile on that one, kiddo.

I'll second what Dr Adequate said. Put up or shut up.

On a different thread.
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I've just put this on my own site but although it's about the UK it might be worth adding it here. After reading about yet another psychic being called in by a family whose son is missing I wrote to the Metropolitan Police and asked if they could confirm the use of psychics. Their reply was interesting...

"Dear Mr Youens

Thank you for your recent enquiry concerning the use of psychics by the police, which has been forwarded to me by our Public Access Office. We have conducted a search of our indexes but have been unable to identify any relevant records relating to any official use of psychics."

They did add...

"There is, however, a historical case where this played a major part."

I've begun looking at this case but early days yet.

Tony Youens
 
tonyyouens said:
I've just put this on my own site but although it's about the UK it might be worth adding it here. After reading about yet another psychic being called in by a family whose son is missing I wrote to the Metropolitan Police and asked if they could confirm the use of psychics. Their reply was interesting...

"Dear Mr Youens

Thank you for your recent enquiry concerning the use of psychics by the police, which has been forwarded to me by our Public Access Office. We have conducted a search of our indexes but have been unable to identify any relevant records relating to any official use of psychics."

They did add...

"There is, however, a historical case where this played a major part."

I've begun looking at this case but early days yet.

Tony Youens
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Hi Tony,

Thank you for the link.

Let us know what happens with your research on that case. I checked out your summary, and it looks like it's "business as usual" with the psychic claims of aiding police.
(sigh)

Take care,
Kelly
 
A comment about the blog series received via email from a woman who does not have a missing person in her life, and who was also neutral on the subject beforehand:

"Kelly I am blown away with your recent postings. I wish this series could post on every site that mentions missing people. Everyone needs to read this series. It is such an important education for those of us who don't know the details of these missing people cases. The pain just jumps off the pages and gets you thinking about the real harm caused by psychics. I never had a clue what the harm was in hearing these people out until I read this series of postings. I can say now that I am outraged by shows that are doing these readings on TV -- it is sick.

I'm sure it was very difficult to post things that brought back your own suffering but bless you for doing it. I've got such insight that I didn't have before. Thank you so much for your postings."
 
Wow. That's awesome, Kelly! Great work on the blog. It looks like you're really reaching people with it.
 
KellyJ, what you're doing here is really just awesome. If the idea hasn't already been put out there, would you consider giving a paper presentation at the next Amazing Meeting? I know you would be fantastic.

If you even visit at the next TAM, you'll receive a hero's welcome (I for one volunteer to carry you through the door of the casino yelling "HUZZAH FOR KELLYJ!")
 
tonyyouens said:
That's excellent John. I'll stick in a link to that as well.

Tony
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Also linked in [swiki]Psychic Detectives[/swiki]

Very nice. Are there any Americans who'd like to do something similar?

TY --- [swiki]Psychic Detectives[/swiki] links to some of your articles --- are there any other relevant ones we've missed?
 
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Okay SkepticWiki link put in as well.

The main links on my site other than Dennis McKenzie and the current commentary are;

The Christine Holohan case which was much debated on the JREF forum at one time.
http://www.tonyyouens.com/ruislip_murder.htm

and a commentary 'The unpleasant world of the psychic detective' at:
http://www.tonyyouens.com/commentary.htm#detectives
which deals with the case of Lisa Dorrian. I was contacted by the psychic in question who thought my tone a little abrasive. I told him he would be of no use and indeed he wasn't.

I think this is a perfect opportunity for us all to work together. A challenge maybe?

Kind regards to all.

Tony
 
delphi_ote said:
KellyJ, what you're doing here is really just awesome. If the idea hasn't already been put out there, would you consider giving a paper presentation at the next Amazing Meeting? I know you would be fantastic.

If you even visit at the next TAM, you'll receive a hero's welcome (I for one volunteer to carry you through the door of the casino yelling "HUZZAH FOR KELLYJ!")
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Hello Delphi_ote,

Early on in the thread, there is some talk about me attending TAM on a scholarship and giving a report. I believe Luke T. initiated this discussion. I'm not the greatest public speaker, but I would be happy to do this if the foundation wishes.

I hope you are a robust fellow, and have decent medical coverage, as I am not a petite little thing. :)

Your post made me smile. Thank you!

Kelly
 
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