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Pardalis said:
People tend to tie up loose ends, to link coincidences together in order to make the world make sense. Maybe that’s why Loose Change is so poplular. It’s a common human weakness. We cannot think that the world is a result of luck and chance, it has to be a result of purpose.
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Welcome Pardalis. I think you hit on part of the appeal of conspiracy theories, but another part is that these people are desperate to be in the select group that is "in the know" about these events. They watched the video, found themselves believing it, and really enjoyed the narcotic feeling of knowing information that others are not supposed to know. Now this desire to contiune that overrides any balanced inquiry.
 
Pardalis said:
Hello, I’m new to this forum and this is my first post. I am a francophone so please be indulgent.
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Bienvenue sur le forum, alors!

I’m from the province of Québec and the anti-american sentiment here is overwelming.
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Where, specifically ? Here in Saguenay people don't seem to bother with that too much, but maybe my circle of friends is relatively limited. Not that they necessarily agree with american politics.

People tend to tie up loose ends, to link coincidences together in order to make the world make sense.
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It's my observation that filling up the blanks in our knowledge by ANY means necessary seems to be a very powerful survival trait that we have a HARD time getting rid of.

They believe the American governement and the «globalists» want to take over the world.
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Everybody wants to take over the world. Nothing new there ! ;)

Nice post, man.
 
CurtC said:
Welcome Pardalis. I think you hit on part of the appeal of conspiracy theories, but another part is that these people are desperate to be in the select group that is "in the know" about these events.
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Yes, beign social animals, I suppose this is ANOTHER survival trait.
 
WildCat said:
Well, now Roxdog from the LC forum is over at another forum challenging people to come on his "radio show". Funny, he doesn't have the testicular fortitude to come over here and argue his nonsense. What a tool... and a complete coward.
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He is still probably whining about the registration process. In the meantime, we've had at least two well spoken new folks join the forum and put their first posts in this thread.

Does his radio show even come up to 'podcast' level?
 
Thanks for the warm welcome!

Belz... said:
Where, specifically ? Here in Saguenay people don't seem to bother with that too much.
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Sorry about that, I have the Montréal habbit of thinking Montréal speeks for all of Québec. I'm glad to hear Sagnéens are not gullible, but also worried that Saguenay is the 4th level of hell. lol
 
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Pardalis said:
Thanks for the warm welcome!



Sorry about that, I have the Montréal habbit of thinking Montréal speeks for all of Québec. I'm glad to here Sagnéens are not gullible, but also worried that Saguenay is the 4th level of hell. lol
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I'm sorry Paradalis, I didn't realize you were from Canada. We don't ban people so you are free to stay but understand we are by necessity forced to take a dim view of your opinions.

Oh hell, I'm two days late.

Welcome.
 
CurtC said:
Welcome Pardalis. I think you hit on part of the appeal of conspiracy theories, but another part is that these people are desperate to be in the select group that is "in the know" about these events. They watched the video, found themselves believing it, and really enjoyed the narcotic feeling of knowing information that others are not supposed to know. Now this desire to contiune that overrides any balanced inquiry.
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Yeah, and then there is the surreal "movie" mentality.

In the movies OJ Simpson would have escaped in that famous Bronco chase and found the real killers.

Life isn't a movie. Real life can be exciting with lots of subterfuge, conspiracy, excitement and drama however most events even the exciting ones have prosaic answers. Things aren't always as they appear. Often enough they are. It's our job to see the world in a critical light and figure out which is which. Hey, if our government murdered innocent Americans then I want the guilty parties brought to justice. I would spend a good deal of my time seeing to it.

I've yet to see the evidence to convince me of that.
 
RandFan said:
I'm sorry Paradalis, I didn't realize you were from Canada. We don't ban people so you are free to stay but understand we are by necessity forced to take a dim view of your opinions.

Oh hell, I'm two days late.

Welcome.
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LOL

I think I'm way too American for my fellow Québecers, that's probably why they can't understand I don't believe Loose Change.
 
CurtC said:
I think you hit on part of the appeal of conspiracy theories.
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I think that's the same appeal for Philip K. Dick novels. I'm a PKD fan though, so why can't I believe the 9-11 conspiracy? Oh, yeah, I can make the difference between a good book and reality.
 
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Well, now Roxdog from the LC forum is over at another forum challenging people to come on his "radio show". Funny, he doesn't have the testicular fortitude to come over here and argue his nonsense. What a tool... and a complete coward.
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Sooo, he challenges you to go on his show, you refuse, and that makes HIM the coward? How do you figure?
 
conspiracybeliever said:
Sooo, he challenges you to go on his show, you refuse, and that makes HIM the coward? How do you figure?
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Real simple: It is his show. He controls the content, as well as the resulting edited output. There is no indication that this would be anything but a hostile host and a hostile audience. Were he so bold, he would seek a more neutral ground for proper debate. But he doesn't want that. He doesn't want a level playing field. He wants to set an ambush, pure and simple.
 
kookbreaker said:
Real simple: It is his show. He controls the content, as well as the resulting edited output. There is no indication that this would be anything but a hostile host and a hostile audience. Were he so bold, he would seek a more neutral ground for proper debate. But he doesn't want that. He doesn't want a level playing field. He wants to set an ambush, pure and simple.
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How do you edit when you are live? It seems to me that if someone believes in their heart that they have the facts they shouldn't be scared of a simple debate. It is easy to hide in the forums. It is much more difficult to face questions head on where you won't be able to skirt them or change the subject easily.
 
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How do you edit when you are live?
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Tell that one to Howard Stern. Just how 'live' is his show anyway? Not as live as you might think.

It seems to me that if someone believes in their heart that they have the facts they shouldn't be scared of a simple debate.
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A simple debate does not involve a hostile environment

It is easy to hide in the forums.
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Its even easier to hide on friendly forums and ban everyone who mightdisagree with your opinions.

It is much more difficult to face questions head on where you won't be able to skirt them or change the subject easily.
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Then why is he so determined that it happen under his control?
 
He has stated he would go on your show if you had one. Or anyone else's for that matter. You are merely assuming he'd be hostile to you on his show only to give a reason not to go on it, IMO.
 
I don't think any one person on the JREF forums is claiming to be an expert at debunking 9/11 CTs, though RandFan may be getting close. What we have tried to do with those believers that have posted here is have meaningful discussion about their ideas, and those discussions have been of varying value. It would be unwise from a debating standpoint to enter into a non-neutral environment and debate a subject with someone who has devoted significant amounts of time in building up their position without having researched your opponents position and expected arguments first.

If he is geniune in his call for debate then the venue should be a little concern to him.

Additionally, though some JREF posters have made their way over to the Loose Change forums there has been no invitation from them, to us, to do so. Whereas the JREF mods have gone out of their way to make the invitation to the Loose Change members. This hardly fosters a feeling of willingness to discuss the issues in a fair and open manner.
 
What's the distribution of this show? How many downloads, what are the demographics, etc?

Also, is he an 861er or is that someone else on the podcast network?
 
conspiracybeliever said:
He has stated he would go on your show if you had one. Or anyone else's for that matter. You are merely assuming he'd be hostile to you on his show only to give a reason not to go on it, IMO.
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Would anyone be able to check facts on a radio show? No. Would anyone be able to do research on a radio show? No. Would a calm voice of reason be heard over irrational rhetoric on a radio show? No.

I know you guys aren't interested in those things, but the rest of us are. What is the point of going on a radio show when the discussion here seems to be working out just fine?
 
Arkan_Wolfshade said:
Why is _his_ podcast the only acceptable venue for this discussion to occur?
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It's merely a proposal. It appears he is willing to go on anyone's show to debate the actual issues. It seems that if someone went on his show and he made things unfair or acted like a jerk it would only reflect badly on him so, what's the big deal?
 
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