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Psychics and Missing People

Mr. Stick said:
Does Sylvia Brown and others of her class not use cold reading? Are they not frauds?
The impression I get from stage performers claiming to talk to the dead, is that they are very well aware what they are doing, and they talk to people all the time without prior knowledge.
If they used hot reading they would do much better than they do. :rolleyes:
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Well, I think you just made my point.

If she was a fraud, then she would hot-read, and do much better than she does.

In fact, she's rubbish, she flails around wildly, and her audience believes in her. And so does she.

I'm sure the fatuous preening self-deluding stupid bitch sleeps very well. I suffer from insomnia. What of it?
 
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Dr Adequate said:
It's hard to do. I make fun of everything I can, but psychics in themselves aren't funny. Their particular arguments are often funny, but the thing itself is just disgusting.
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THis is why I am torn about it. rjh's joke was not bad, but yet it stung just the same. I do firmly believe in the importance of having a sense of humor in trying times.

I'm also insomniac, so my comment about her sleeping at night was more of a jab at her apparent lack of a conscience than her sleeping habits.
 
UTSA police followed every lead in their search for Fuentes. Chief Hernandez says they got help from the San Antonio Police Department and even psychics to try to track her down.
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The way I read that, it seems like the psychics offered help. Very vague wording there.
 
Kelly

Why couldn't I find the delete button sooner than elaine's lighting quick reflexes. I ment to post it as a private message...

Just dig myself a hole now...

Although I wanted the post below to be private, I still believe it to be true. So if im banned from this forum because of it, then frankly I'm not bothered.
 
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Zoinked168 said:
I am deeply sorry to hear about your son's disappearance. I know you don't want to hear some claimed psychic tell you a bunch pie in the sky for money. I don't have to have any special ability's to sense your frustration and hurt over Jason. I have some experience in locating objects and "scanning" peoples health. I myself was curious about the whereabouts of your son. I know my findings could be either devastating or bring some hope to you and your family. This is such a delicate matter which I'm not totally comfortable with. I so deeply regret to say that I found no trace of Jason's energy on earth. I have checked and re-checked hoping that I could be wrong. You could clarify this for yourself and you do not need any special abilities. But you do need a clear mind with is no easy feat. But if you can, relax and feel your own heartbeat and then picture Jason and what his heart would be doing. Then change your thoughts to your other son's heartbeat and try to see a difference. It takes time but the answer lies within you.
I am so sorry to give this news to a mother, but I feel that your mind will never rest until you find the truth.

Please accept my humblest apologies and I can only hope you don't think me as a fruit. If you do, then I accept that and I understand why and I wish you well in your search.

Deepest Regards Zoe
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Unbelievable
 
I'll give zoinked credit:

1.) No money was requested.

2.) The answer given was honestly offered.

3.) It was a hard one to offer any parent.

I'm hoping Zoinked is wrong. No, I don't want to see this person banned, but maybe, over time, they might realize just what is truly going on in their heart and mind.

An "A" for compassion. Everything else... That's not up to me.
 
Zoe,

You will not be banned for claiming "psychic" abilities. What I fail to understand though is why you ignore my request to not come to me with your claims. Assuming you came here through the blog series, (surely you have seen it and read the disclaimer at the bottom of each post, OR you have read enough of this thread to have made this clear.) you know that I do not entertain anything psychics have to say as truth regarding my son.

You sound like a kind, yet misguided person. I don't wish to be unkind to you, but your notion of being able to know whether or not Jason's heart is beating is pure nonsense. (sensing his "energy" as you phrased it)

Every single psychic who has ever approached me tells me he is dead, so you are no different. If you have specific details about his death and disappearance, as with any of the others who now come to me, I encourage you to call our police detectives and share this with with them. I let them decide if there is anything of value to follow up. I guarantee you that they will listen to you, so please don't use that as an excuse not to call them.

Here's the number: 402-444-5647

Why don't you create your own thread to discuss your psychic abilities? If you have confidence in it, you should have no objection to doing that.

Kelly
 
Firstly, thank-you for not immediately discrediting my honest thoughts. I understand that you require details and hard evidence, even in my shoes I want to see the the real facts for my allegation even though the subject nature is painfully sensitive.

I do not sell myself short in offering services to the public and I am afraid that even if I could prove some abilities, it would be too costly for myself or you Kelly as I would physically have to travel to your location, and it would be a lengthy investigation which I cannot afford to pursue at the moment as I am studying.

At no point did I say I possess psychic abilities, This term is coined too loosely for start and what I do know is that I deal with the manipulation of quantimbioelectromagnetic energy. The discussion of ESP has only recently been brought to light and what I know and practice, I fail to see an exact resemblance to what is known yet to the masses.

So although this probably appears to be a "cop-out" in my resistance to help at this point of time, I do intend to prove my capabilities in other areas than missing people.

This is me sticking my neck out into the world where I have grown tired of skeptics in the past and given up explaining and even demonstrating to. I have nothing to prove but to myself. I hope people will understand that one day.
 
Further more, I would like to add that I totally support the notion of exposing frauds in the ESP department. They are a disgrace to themselves and the people they effect. So I really don't mind if you try to pick holes through my words because I know I speak the truth and frauds just make my life harder and frustrate me. This is something that fascinates my own mind and I am curious to know and see real results which no one has been proved as yet.
 
Zoinked168 said:
Further more, I would like to add that I totally support the notion of exposing frauds in the ESP department. They are a disgrace to themselves and the people they effect. So I really don't mind if you try to pick holes through my words because I know I speak the truth and frauds just make my life harder and frustrate me. This is something that fascinates my own mind and I am curious to know and see real results which no one has been proved as yet.
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So why not win a Million Dollars?
 
Zoe,

You claim paranormal abilities. To be able to know if a person is alive or dead in the manner you suggest is not a normal ability. Pardon me for the psychic label.

I have a few questions for you:

Are you saying that you are not going to discuss this ability on your own thread?

Are you saying that you know nothing more than that Jason is not alive, and that you would not know more than that without coming here?

Do you have any intention of notifying the police, assuming you have details?


If you do not have any more answers and are not willing to discuss your claimed abilities, I do not see much purpose in your having contacted me.

In a nutshell, you said: "Sorry, lady, but your kid is dead."

What value does that hold for me? What value does it hold for any of the members here or the purpose of the thread/forum?

Thank you.

Kelly
 
delphi_ote...I have looked into applying already. But this is not about the money. This is bigger than the material world...doesn't anyone see that yet?! Besides, this is not a win lose scenario or anything to do with numeric lottery odds.

My intention is be in James Randi's labs making history in regards to ESP. I do have a life too and I have no intentions of being a lab rat for the rest of my life.
 
KellyJ said:
Zoe,

You claim paranormal abilities. To be able to know if a person is alive or dead in the manner you suggest is not a normal ability. Pardon me for the psychic label.

I have a few questions for you:

Are you saying that you are not going to discuss this ability on your own thread?

Are you saying that you know nothing more than that Jason is not alive, and that you would not know more than that without coming here?

Do you have any intention of notifying the police, assuming you have details?


If you do not have any more answers and are not willing to discuss your claimed abilities, I do not see much purpose in your having contacted me.

In a nutshell, you said: "Sorry, lady, but your kid is dead."

What value does that hold for me? What value does it hold for any of the members here or the purpose of the thread/forum?

Thank you.

Kelly
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Kelly, Before I can answer your valid questions, I have one for you. What is a "normal ability"? The whole concept behind ESP is that everyone could potentially tap into this unused resource in our brain. This is why I suggest you try it yourself.

I have briefly talked about locating people with my past mentor sometime ago now. I have some rough idea where to start but even with a natural ability, it is useless without a good technique. Everything connected to humans has evolved and improved over time, even thinking and logic for example. It would require a lot of my time to develop this independently. This is one skill out of dozens of known phenomena, and there are still limitless of unknown ones too yet to be developed. If you have looked into energy practices such as Qi-Gong you will notice that the technique has practically not evolved at all since it was established and there is only "one way of doing it", this I believe to be false not to question and improve upon something which dates back thousands of years.

I really hope you can see my view-point on this and see if it makes a little sense.

I hope that once I have established myself as genuine you will take my words more to heart. Until then, take it as you will. I force feed no one. I only ask for everyone and anyone who takes an interest in ESP to experiment for themselves before they apply straight-up knock'em down approach. Perhaps I am naive in my belief's, but regardless I see the practicalities and possible usages for the world we live in today.

I'm off to bed now. I hope that this has partly answered your questions. I will elaborate and answer any more questions you may have when I am able too :)
 
Zoinked168 said:
delphi_ote...I have looked into applying already. But this is not about the money. This is bigger than the material world...doesn't anyone see that yet?! Besides, this is not a win lose scenario or anything to do with numeric lottery odds.

My intention is be in James Randi's labs making history in regards to ESP. I do have a life too and I have no intentions of being a lab rat for the rest of my life.
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Take the test and use the money to feed starving children. Prove to the world and all the skeptics once and for all that psychic powers are real. Win the Nobel Prize and feed more starving children. Start a revolution in science and alter the course of history.

One simple test is all it would take.
 
Zoinked168 said:
Why couldn't I find the delete button sooner than elaine's lighting quick reflexes. I ment to post it as a private message...

Just dig myself a hole now...

Although I wanted the post below to be private, I still believe it to be true. So if im banned from this forum because of it, then frankly I'm not bothered.
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Fastest keystroke in the west :-).

But honestly Zoinked, I have no doubt that you have the best of intentions. If you really do have this ability, please do apply for the challenge.
 
Zoinked168 said:
I hope that once I have established myself as genuine you will take my words more to heart.
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Instead of sitting around here running your mouth, why aren't you filling out the application forms? I'm starting to think you just came here to get attention.
 
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