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John Edward smackdown in Dallas

Sasha said:
It's hard to believe that a whole recording crew and all the people that go with it would just show up at someone's house and start filming without having already talked to the owner and gotten his permission. This sounds so set-up.
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Yeah. JE did a series of shows with families of 9/11 victims. A lot of the information he got from beyond was available public knowledge (Lexis-Nexis) or just flat out easy to assume.
 
From a danish point of view:
Yes and no.
While you do need a permit (written, not just spoken in case of a juridical aftermath and ordinarily taken care of in advance) to film on private property, the arse could be arrogant enough to just show up and hope to get the permit on sight. After all, he is a "celebrity" and there's almost no limit to what people will do to get on TV.

But it does sound strange.
 
I once saw a piece of an episode that involved a person shaking his head continuously for a full minute as JE refused to back down from his failed tangent. It was much like one dissection I remember Randi doing somewhere. It still amazes me that people can regard abject failure as proof.
 
Luke T. said:
That is not what John Edward is saying. He would record 4 or 5 hours and get a week's worth of Crossing Over shows out of it.
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For some reason I thought Crossing Over only aired once a week.
 
tsg said:
For some reason I thought Crossing Over only aired once a week.
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I can easily see how 5 hours of taping could lead to seven 1 hour shows. You know, factor in commercial breaks, teasers and "coming up after the break" type footage, that's repeated both before and after every commercial break, you're probably left with only about 35 to 40 minutes of actual original footage needed to make a show. Not to mention, you probably have several cameras shooting simultaneously. Which can make for some very creative editing too.
Then you could cheat and throw in a few repeats of previous shows every now and then, and you're making a whole year's worth of shows in about 6-8 recording sessions.
 
The_Fire said:
From a danish point of view:
Yes and no.
While you do need a permit (written, not just spoken in case of a juridical aftermath and ordinarily taken care of in advance) to film on private property, the arse could be arrogant enough to just show up and hope to get the permit on sight. After all, he is a "celebrity" and there's almost no limit to what people will do to get on TV.

But it does sound strange.
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I see your point, but I think Edward would consider the possibility that he might be walking up to a house where the owners aren't fans and just might chase him off or say something disparaging. Of course he could just edit it out, but how much better to have all the dialogue and OMG surprise ready to film. He seems too in control to leave this sort of thing to chance.

Or, I've just been in Texas too long and see images of shotgun barrels sticking out the front door as a crowd of strangers drives up.
 
Luke T. said:
That is not what John Edward is saying. He would record 4 or 5 hours and get a week's worth of Crossing Over shows out of it. This was verified by people who attended tapings on the tvtalkshows board.

There's no reason to doubt it. If you ever saw the shows and how weak they were, it's easy to see he did not edit it to only show strong hits. Saying that he was in contact with a middle aged woman's father was good enough for the believers without strong hits.

Toward the end, the show was pumped with lots of filler material that was recorded outside of a live audience environment.

So there is no reason to doubt that there wasn't heavy editing. In fact, watching the show with a skeptical eye and seeing just how incredibly weak a demonstration of cold reading it was only served to show just how powerful a desire and belief must be at work on the part of the audience for JE to succeed. His success is only due in part to his skill, but a large part is due to the desire to believe.
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If you go to any psychic show, especially the platform clairvoyance type, bring a book. "War and Peace", preferably.

It is tedious in the extreme to listen to the pathetic grasping for straws. Until, of course, it becomes downright embarrassing. The psychic scrambles for a hit, while the audience scrambles to make it fit.

The adulation of the psychic sometimes goes so far that the most eager marks (and I call them "marks" deliberately) will fight each other for the hits. "That's me he's talking about!" "No, it's me! I can make it fit better!" Growl, hiss, catfight.
 
Luke T. said:
Yeah. JE did a series of shows with families of 9/11 victims. A lot of the information he got from beyond was available public knowledge (Lexis-Nexis) or just flat out easy to assume.
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Was it a series of shows? I thought that he intended to do a series, but after the first one caused an uproar, the rest were cancelled.

Perhaps I am misremembering.
 
We got a shout out on Jody's show!

Well, at least an allusion to us. My buddy Randall was listening and sent me an e-mail commenting on it.

Hey! You were briefly referred to today on Jody's show, not by name but it would be clear to anyone who cared to look. Jody announced that the audio file of the Edward interview was now on the KLUV site. He took some joy and pride in announcing that he had gotten emails from all over the world asking to hear it, including the Czech Republic. At this point, his co-host Cathy cut in and asked, "Why would someone in the Czech Republic want to hear YOU?!?'" Jody then said that someone <cough> had posted about the interview on the JREF forums and that the news had thus gotten around the globe. He also took that opportunity to restate again that scepticism does not mean cynicism or atheism.
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(for the record, Randall's a native Texan, but he's been using the British "c" instead of the American "k" for as long as I've known him)

Jody's mail to me mentioned his attending breakfasts with the Trinity Foundation which publishes the Wittenberg Door. The two of us, if my schedule allows and after he's done with his sub-Deacon duties for Orthodox lent, are going to try and join them and thank Jody in person.
 
Another Conservative Christian radio talk show host weighs in on the topic. Mark Davis is a blustering blowhard that I disagree with about 60% of the time and the other 40% it's with reservations, but he happened to submit this editorial a week after Jody Dean's smackdown of John Edward.

I state again, that as long as atheist skeptics insist on taking positions hostile to religious skeptics we risk alienating a powerful and numerous ally.
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http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcon...kdavis_15edi.ART.State.Edition1.13611323.html

"Let Don Knotts - and everyone else - rest in peace

MARK DAVIS has had enough of con artists who claim they can speak
with the dead
08:01 AM CST on Wednesday, March 15, 2006

This column has been in my head for years. I tripped over a piece of news the other day that uncorked it, so here goes. I have long held a special contempt for the charlatans who purport to be able to talk to the dead. Many people write off such things as entertainment, in the same category as psychics and tarot-card readers.

I don't. I believe the sickening exploits of scam artists like James van Praagh and John Edward are harmful to people. I groaned upon discovering that Ghost Whisperer on CBS – a fairly entertaining piece of fiction starring Jennifer Love Hewitt as a woman who can chat with the dearly departed – lists Mr. van Praagh as a producer. I assume his involvement is supposed to lend heft to the show by suggesting to viewers that people can actually do this. There is no reason to believe they can, and there are plenty of reasons to believe they cannot.
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exarch said:
I can easily see how 5 hours of taping could lead to seven 1 hour shows. You know, factor in commercial breaks, teasers and "coming up after the break" type footage, that's repeated both before and after every commercial break, you're probably left with only about 35 to 40 minutes of actual original footage needed to make a show. Not to mention, you probably have several cameras shooting simultaneously. Which can make for some very creative editing too.
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Not sure about shows like JE's, but there's about 42 minutes of "show" for each teelvised hour of Babylon 5, 24 and similar shows, leaving 18 minutes for commercials and other network-related footage.
 
gruk said:
Not sure about shows like JE's, but there's about 42 minutes of "show" for each teelvised hour of Babylon 5, 24 and similar shows, leaving 18 minutes for commercials and other network-related footage.
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The next show starts 50 minutes after "60 Minutes" starts on Norwegian TV2, and they don't edit it...

You've got to love American TV:

Coming up! (3 commercial breaks from now)
Next! (2 commercial breaks form now)
After the break! (1 commercial break from now)
Now! (We'll tell you some of it, but..)
BUT FIRST!

ZAP! :mad:
 
CFLarsen said:
JE is on NRK?
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No, he was merely saying that in Norway, 60 minutes is only 50 minutes long since it's lacking the necessary padding with commercial breaks like it has in the US ...
 
tsg said:
Rough (very) draft of a transcript of the mp3 file posted earlier. Let me know if there are any mistakes and I'll fix them. I freely admit that I paid more attention to Edward's stutters and stammers than I did Dean's. Sue me.

Damn, that man talks fast....
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Thank you sooo much for that. It's work-friendly!
 
exarch said:
No, he was merely saying that in Norway, 60 minutes is only 50 minutes long since it's lacking the necessary padding with commercial breaks like it has in the US ...
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But commercials breaks takes more than 10 minutes per hour in the US....(or at least, it seems so....)
 
CFLarsen said:
But commercials breaks takes more than 10 minutes per hour in the US....(or at least, it seems so....)
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Indeed. But there is one detail that was omitted, which will account for this. You see, "60 Minutes" is in fact shorter than 50 minutes. However, while TV2 don't have in-program commercials, they do have between-programs commercials, which account for how the next program will start 50 minutes after "60 Minutes" start.
 
I've begun Tivo-ing all the Cross Country episodes. Not to watch the episodes, but to record who all is sponsoring the show.

I intend to write to each and every advertiser and voice my displeasure. If anyone would care to join me, I'll be happy to post that list of advertisers.
 
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