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Existence vs Awareness

Iacchus said:
But you seem be to saying that anyone who makes a claim about the supernatural is a liar.
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Not if you read the whole thing I wrote I don't. They could be a liar and there are lots of that type. They could also be deluded, they could also be simply honestly mistaken in what they think they experienced. And that last category is especially true when we are a talking 'the whole of human history' because throughout a huge chunk of it, there were a lot of things that people simply didn't know HOW to explain so they mistakenly assigned a supernatural explanation to them.

The fact that you choose to sieze on only that one posibility smacks of a diversionary tactic on your part.
 
Nyarlathotep said:
Not if you read the whole thing I wrote I don't. They could be a liar and there are lots of that type. They could also be deluded, they could also be simply honestly mistaken in what they think they experienced.
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And, they could also be speaking the truth.
 
Nyarlathotep said:
Maybe, but 'Could be' <> 'are'. And if they are speaking the truth, thre is a distinct lack of evidence to back up their case.
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Well, I suppose it could be one big giant conspiracy. This is what it sounds like you're saying to me anyway.
 
Iacchus said:
Well, I suppose it could be one big giant conspiracy. This is what it sounds like you're saying to me anyway.
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Or it's the way you are choosing to take it.

Of course people NEVER see a lit up heicopter and think its a flying saucer, people never dream about their dead uncle Eddie and confalte it the next morning into their dead uncle Eddie's ghost was talking to them, people NEVER mistake a coincidence for some sort of psychic intuition. Nope, everyone of them must be lying. No one EVER nisunderstands something they see and attributes it to a supernatural explanation. It's all a big giant conspiracy to make you look like a fool. You got me dead to rights.:rolleyes:
 
Oh my dear dog in heaven. It was hard to read this entire thread with all the blood shooting out of my eyes. Iacchus, what is your point?! I think it's safe to say that you clearly have no idea what you're talking about, so why don't you stop weaving posts filled with gibberish and back-talk and start addressing some actual topics brought up here. Heck, you might try *learning* something from some of these posts. I know I have, despite having to dodge and weave through your trolling.

Regardless, thanks to Mercutio, Nyar, and others who have pointed me towards some really interesting topics.
 
Belz... said:
And THAT, my friends, is what we call circular reasoning.

Nice try, Nyarlathotep, but we're right back where we started, and all of that in about 12 posts.
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Well, if I was a real wiz with statistics maybe I could you help you out. But, since I'm not, and the issue is not being addressed, we'll just have to leave it at that. The fact that the whole of history is rife with tales of the supernatural (across all cultural and geographical barriers) does constitute evidence by the way. So you can't just come waltzing in (after the fact) and claim that there is in fact none. All it takes is one person to get it right you see.
 
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Wheezebucket said:
Oh my dear dog in heaven. It was hard to read this entire thread with all the blood shooting out of my eyes. Iacchus, what is your point?! I think it's safe to say that you clearly have no idea what you're talking about, so why don't you stop weaving posts filled with gibberish and back-talk and start addressing some actual topics brought up here.
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Or, perhaps it's not the type of gibberish you're accostumed to? We all have our preferences now don't we?
 
Iacchus said:
The fact that the whole of history is rife with tales of the supernatural (across all cultural and geographical barriers) does constitute evidence by the way. So you can't just come waltzing in (after the fact) and claim that there is in fact none. All it takes is one person to get it right you see.
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The whole of human history is rife with tales of people being able to fly like birds, too -- from Daedelus to Superman. I can still come waltzing in and say there's no evidence that this is possible. All it would take is for one person to get it right, you see --- but no one does.
 
I've read this thread, and have a question for Iacchus.

I consider myself if anything an independent observer when it comes to topics such as this. I usually just like to read along, and not comment. But I have to ask if you, do you have a point?

Forget what others have posted here and just tell me, hopefully in words that you haven't already used, what you are trying to say. This thread has degenerated into bickering back and fourth, and that gets us, more specifically me, nowhere.

I know you are trying to make a point, I just don't know what it is.
 
drkitten said:
The whole of human history is rife with tales of people being able to fly like birds, too -- from Daedelus to Superman.
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Really? These are the only two tales I'm familiar with.

I can still come waltzing in and say there's no evidence that this is possible. All it would take is for one person to get it right, you see --- but no one does.
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Neither is this the type of experience I would wager on, since both are extreme examples. I'm thinking more in terms of mystical experiences, where people have encountered these things (and/or beings) from the other side.
 
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Iacchus, please, just because everyone says it is so does not mean it really is so. That's what it's called an argument from authority.
 
Taffer said:
Iacchus, please, just because everyone says it is so does not mean it really is so. That's what it's called an argument from authority.
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Really? Why should I have to rely on someone else's say so in order to understand what I'm talking about? Do you honestly believe that this is what it's all about? You don't seem to understand, I'm the one who's making the claim.
 
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