The Gospel

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Take, for example, Luke 23:46. What salient assertions/propositions are undeniably incorporated in this passage (based on NIV, anyhow)? Not necessarily in any order, I submit that they are as follows:
Wow, you go to all that trouble cherry picking the text and it’s simply a matter to point out John to make your whole house of cards collapse.

You keep trying to shift the burden, yet it remains firmly on your shoulders.
Kindly spare us your layman's notions of onus probandi.
Ahem, as soon as you step up and present evidence that shows two of the four gospels wrong.

Just what is it that you think you are showing here? You accuse me of not responding to a question, then point out what appears to be an example of me responding to something that was not a question.
You responded but did not answer. If you dig back through the thread you’ll find the original question.

Again, the term "contradiction" is being applied here in the absence of any kind of formal showing that a contradiction, in fact, exists.
Being dishonest again I see. It’s been pointed out earlier on this thread as well as being pointed out on the previous thread.

Why are you defending this meaningless point so venomously anyway? If you’re going for biblical contradictions there are many more and much easier to identify.

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I also think *putting on my best Slim Pickens imitation* "you sure do have a pretty mouth." :)

I noticed you haven't posted since I wrote the above statement and perhaps I should explain it. The reference is from the Mel Brooks western comedy, Blazing Saddles. I was commenting on how beautifully you write. :)
 
Wow, you go to all that trouble cherry picking the text and it’s simply a matter to point out John to make your whole house of cards collapse.

Begging your pardon, but exactly how am I cherry-picking the text? For one thing, you picked the texts (Luke 23:46 and John 19:30). I simply parsed them (remember propositions P1 through P9 in my earlier post?). Then:
  • I asked "Are we in agreement that this covers the salient information explicitly or necessarily conveyed by those two texts?" - a query to which you declined to respond.
  • I said "If not, please indicate what propositions the text demands be added" - a query to which you declined to respond.
  • I asked "If so, then can you tell me whether any proposition on the list is in formal contradiction with any other proposition(s) on the list?" - a query to which you declined to respond.
  • I continued "And for that matter, whether any of them are contradicted by an assertion made in the hypothetical scenario?" - a query to which you declined to respond.
If you really think John is the key to your argument, why did you fail to respond each time, when John 19:30 was one of the texts parsed in my post? Will you choose to respond to those queries now?


Ahem, as soon as you step up and present evidence that shows two of the four gospels wrong.

An interesting non sequitur. Moreover, as I have nowhere asserted that two of the four Gospels are wrong in this regard, it is hardly incumbent on me to adduce evidence of such a thing.


You responded but did not answer. If you dig back through the thread you’ll find the original question.

Normally I enjoy riddles, but this is tedious. If you have some question in mind for me from this 40-page thread that you think has been neglected, just ask it. If the question boils down to one you asked just a few posts back (namely, "What was on the sign hanging above Jesus", to which I responded "I don't know"), then just say so and be done with it.


Being dishonest again I see. It’s been pointed out earlier on this thread as well as being pointed out on the previous thread.

Again, the existence of a contradiction was alleged, but was not demonstrated.


Why are you defending this meaningless point so venomously anyway? If you’re going for biblical contradictions there are many more and much easier to identify.

I hardly think am defending anything venomously (i.e. maliciously; spitefully). Yet the larger importance lies herein (at least): if one can't successfully distinguish between what does and what doesn't constitute a logical contradiction in this instance, how likely is it that one will be able successfully to make that distinction in other instances?


Mephisto said:
I noticed you haven't posted since I wrote the above statement and perhaps I should explain it. The reference is from the Mel Brooks western comedy, Blazing Saddles. I was commenting on how beautifully you write. :)

I remember liking Blazing Saddles, but I don't specifically recall that line. For some reason the film Deliverance sprang to mind. Anyhow, thanks! :)
 
I remember liking Blazing Saddles, but I don't specifically recall that line. For some reason the film Deliverance sprang to mind. Anyhow, thanks! :)

I will agree with Mephisto that you do write well. I have no idea if I agree with your arguments or not, I haven't kept up with the thread as a whole, it holds little interest for me, but I do enjoy reading your posts simply because they are so articulate.
 
This thread was much more fun when everyone was pointing out Krazy K-K's weirdness.
Hi ASA, All I can say about this statement of yours is that God made me an original, I don't intend to die a copy! My testimony of how Christ revealed Himself to me in my life is unique and different than anyone else I have met so far. Yet never the less it is truely a testimony of how much alive Jesus Christ is still today.
My testimony may not be a good one in many peoples opinion, but I am sharing my faith with people that need to hear it! Jesus died so that we might live. And I know it is only because of God's grace and mercy that I am alive today to tell about what our creator has done to set this captive free!
If anyone is interested in an updated version of my testimony, you are welcome to view my webpage...http://www.savedbyloveministries.org/
 
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Hi ASA, All I can say about this statement of yours is that God made me an original, I don't intend to die a copy! My testimony of how Christ revealed Himself to me in my life is unique and different than anyone else I have met so far. Yet never the less it is truely a testimony of how much alive Jesus Christ is still today.
My testimony may not be a good one in many peoples opinion, but I am sharing my faith with people that need to hear it! Jesus died so that we might live. And I know it is only because of God's grace and mercy that I am alive today to tell about what our creator has done to set this captive free!

Prove it.
 
Hi ASA, All I can say about this statement of yours is that God made me an original, I don't intend to die a copy! My testimony of how Christ revealed Himself to me in my life is unique and different than anyone else I have met so far. Yet never the less it is truely a testimony of how much alive Jesus Christ is still today.
My testimony may not be a good one in many peoples opinion, but I am sharing my faith with people that need to hear it! Jesus died so that we might live. And I know it is only because of God's grace and mercy that I am alive today to tell about what our creator has done to set this captive free!


Why do we need to hear it? Because I don't believe the same thing you do?

Why do you feel the need to try to convert people?

Go back to your other forum.
 
Why do we need to hear it? Because I don't believe the same thing you do?

Why do you feel the need to try to convert people?

Go back to your other forum.
God changes hearts and lives every day FS. It is not my work, but the work of the Holy Spirit to turn people around and open their spiritual eyes. Did you happen to see the 700 club today? A friend of mine from Refugee Ministries was on and shared his testimony on how God turned Him around from being a Satanist! Pretty intense stuff, but never the less very real when God convicts and truns someones life around from the darkness to the light.
 
God changes hearts and lives every day FS. It is not my work, but the work of the Holy Spirit to turn people around and open their spiritual eyes. Did you happen to see the 700 club today? A friend of mine from Refugee Ministries was on and shared his testimony on how God turned Him around from being a Satanist! Pretty intense stuff, but never the less very real when God convicts and truns someones life around from the darkness to the light.



You didn't answer my question. Why do I need to hear your preaching?

The rest of what you posted was worthless, I do not watch the 700 club. Pat Robertson is a bigoted frothing jackass.
 
God changes hearts and lives every day FS. It is not my work, but the work of the Holy Spirit to turn people around and open their spiritual eyes. Did you happen to see the 700 club today? A friend of mine from Refugee Ministries was on and shared his testimony on how God turned Him around from being a Satanist! Pretty intense stuff, but never the less very real when God convicts and truns someones life around from the darkness to the light.

Prove it.
 
A Satanist is a kind of religious person derived from from Christianity. Sort of like owning both the brewery and alcohol rehab center in the same town isn't it?
 
A Satanist is a kind of religious person derived from from Christianity. Sort of like owning both the brewery and alcohol rehab center in the same town isn't it?

I wouldn't put too much meaning into what poor old K-K writes, usually it's just nonsense from the indoctrination centre and filtered through her.
 
A Satanist is a kind of religious person derived from from Christianity. Sort of like owning both the brewery and alcohol rehab center in the same town isn't it?
Hey Kopji, do you or anyone you know, know what it's like to struggle with an addiction? Don't criticize something if you haven't ever had to deal with it. It's not OK! There are so many people in our quick fix society that still have trouble getting free from their demons!
 
Hey Kopji, do you or anyone you know, know what it's like to struggle with an addiction? Don't criticize something if you haven't ever had to deal with it. It's not OK! There are so many people in our quick fix society that still have trouble getting free from their demons!

I have no idea who Kopji might, or might not know, but I certainly know people with addictions and using idiotic and meaningless words like "satanist" sure as hell don't help anyone, nor does your brand of preaching at them.
 
I have no idea who Kopji might, or might not know, but I certainly know people with addictions and using idiotic and meaningless words like "satanist" sure as hell don't help anyone, nor does your brand of preaching at them.
OK, How about the term my higher power, does this mean anything to you? To me the only higher power is Jesus Christ. Anyone who truely wants to have God's power to set them free from addiction needs Jesus. This is why I know what Jesus says is true, "the only way to the father is through the son!" I have personally experienced God's power to set me free from addiction.
How about you or someone you know, anyone in AA or NA? It's a known fact that many die from alchoholism and or drug addiction if they don't get free from it!
 
OK, How about the term my higher power, does this mean anything to you? To me the only higher power is Jesus Christ. Anyone who truely wants to have God's power to set them free from addiction needs Jesus. This is why I know what Jesus says is true, "the only way to the father is through the son!" I have personally experienced God's power to set me free from addiction.
How about you or someone you know, anyone in AA or NA? It's a known fact that many die from alchoholism and or drug addiction if they don't get free from it!
Twelve step programs strongly disagree with you. While they do require you to recognize a higher power, they make no requirements as to the nature of that higher power.

Do you think Alcoholics Anonymous is Satanic because they recognize all higher powers?
 
OK, How about the term my higher power, does this mean anything to you? To me the only higher power is Jesus Christ. Anyone who truely wants to have God's power to set them free from addiction needs Jesus. This is why I know what Jesus says is true, "the only way to the father is through the son!" I have personally experienced God's power to set me free from addiction.
How about you or someone you know, anyone in AA or NA? It's a known fact that many die from alchoholism and or drug addiction if they don't get free from it!

It really does take a lot of hammering to get someting into your head doesn't it!

Who is denying that drug and alcohol addictions don't kill people? Did you actually read what I said? Were there too many syllables in the words?

I'll try again. People are not cured of their addictions by your particular nasty brand of christianity. Very few people are going to respond positively to threats that some invisible despot in the sky is going to smite them to hell if they don't do what they're told.

If I had a problem like that you would be the very LAST person I would ask for advice or help.
 
Twelve step programs strongly disagree with you. While they do require you to recognize a higher power, they make no requirements as to the nature of that higher power.

Do you think Alcoholics Anonymous is Satanic because they recognize all higher powers?
The 12 steps were given to the founder of AA based on scripture. The problem is they secularized it and started generalizing the term higher power and God to try to accomodate all people from all types of different religions or cultures. I can tell you I am very vocal with people if and when I may choose to go to a meeting. If we want the empowerment of God's power it is only found in Christ!
Even though I haven't totally worked the steps I find I do enjoy reading my Life Recovery Bible which applies the recovery principles to the other spiritual lessons in scripture.
 
The 12 steps were given to the founder of AA based on scripture. The problem is they secularized it and started generalizing the term higher power and God to try to accomodate all people from all types of different religions or cultures.
You consider that a problem? Do you think only Christians need to be rescued from addictions?
I can tell you I am very vocal with people if and when I may choose to go to a meeting. If we want the empowerment of God's power it is only found in Christ!
Yes, I can see you are very vocal. In my experience, those with the least to say shout the loudest. If I were a person searching for Christ, I would never come to someone like you. You have no compassion or understanding of others. Jesus probably wishes you would shut up because you are driving people away from him. You are not doing God's work, Kathy. Just the opposite.

Look at the posts of Elliotfc if you want to see how a Christian should talk to atheists.
 
You consider that a problem? Do you think only Christians need to be rescued from addictions?

Yes, I can see you are very vocal. In my experience, those with the least to say shout the loudest. If I were a person searching for Christ, I would never come to someone like you. You have no compassion or understanding of others. Jesus probably wishes you would shut up because you are driving people away from him. You are not doing God's work, Kathy. Just the opposite.

Look at the posts of Elliotfc if you want to see how a Christian should talk to atheists.
I am not Elliot. I have my own way of talking to people just as you do Tricky. I am sorry if my directness may seem a bit too harsh for you.
 

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