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Veterinarians and others

endolite said:
Call this a KO or a faint but this works on any horse and at the moments he is getting scientic proof for the non believers...
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Do you have any proof of your statement here that it works on any horse? I am waiting for scientific proof if he is getting it. I can wait, no need to prematurely say anything about this technique.
 
Dogdoctor said:
Do you have any proof of your statement here that it works on any horse? I am waiting for scientific proof if he is getting it. I can wait, no need to prematurely say anything about this technique.
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This guy said he has tried it on horses of all ages and sizes.

From mini's to a 16 year old 600kg TB broodmare and it's only a lack of bigger horses in his area that has hindered him from going to the biggest of them all, but he said this has never failed once..

Some just take longer than others..
 
endolite said:
This guy said he has tried it on horses of all ages and sizes.

From mini's to a 16 year old 600kg TB broodmare and it's only a lack of bigger horses in his area that has hindered him from going to the biggest of them all, but he said this has never failed once..

Some just take longer than others..
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sounds like proof that it doesn't work on any horse.
 
Sorry I guess I miss read that. It sounds like an anecdote. At any rate I talked to other vets who say they have tried that technique and it doesn't work on any horse and for big horses you need to use lots of force. So I have an anecdote for it works on any horse a couple anecdotes for it doesn't work on any horse but no scientific information. Like I said I can wait for science as veterinarians have been working on horses for a long time without using that technique and so can continue for a while and wait for some science.
 
Dogdoctor said:
At any rate I talked to other vets who say they have tried that technique and it doesn't work on any horse and for big horses you need to use lots of force. Like I said I can wait for science as veterinarians have been working on horses for a long time without using that technique and so can continue for a while and wait for some science.
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I find it hard to believe anyone including vets could do this perfectly straight off the bat without contacting this guy for the in's and out's on the precedure..

He has left a lot of experts scraching their heads over this..

Most of them said he doing a choke hold and the horse's were passing out through deprived oxygen levels in the blood until test showed oxygen in blood samples that were taken were normal..

Apparently he is doing more research with some vets in April to clear up a few things...

So it shouldn't be too long before we have some answers..
 
endolite said:
I find it hard to believe anyone including vets could do this perfectly straight off the bat without contacting this guy for the in's and out's on the precedure..

He has left a lot of experts scraching their heads over this..

Most of them said he doing a choke hold and the horse's were passing out through deprived oxygen levels in the blood until test showed oxygen in blood samples that were taken were normal..

Apparently he is doing more research with some vets in April to clear up a few things...

So it shouldn't be too long before we have some answers..
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Like I said it is nothing too get excited about. I am scratching my butt a bit but not my head. We can talk again once it is clear............till then .......waiting...... just sitting here waiting for something concrete to talk about...... waiting.......
 
Dogdoctor said:
Like I said it is nothing too get excited about. I am scratching my butt a bit but not my head. We can talk again once it is clear............till then .......waiting...... just sitting here waiting for something concrete to talk about...... waiting.......
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I've just visited his site again and there has been an update..

Apparently turning the horses head triggers the "baroreceptor reflex" stimulating the "Vagus" nerve lowering the horses blood pressure..

Even the unexperienced at this method from various forums that did try this, all said their horses went sleepy on the after trying the "Tap" but their horses didn't actually lie down...

If this is true would it be fare to say that as in humans all horse has this sensors to regulate blood pressure ?

Because if all horses have these sensors and this is what is happening, then would that be enough concrete for you ?

The guy on the site did say that simularities in reactions to the tap and the twitch lead him to believe this was an endorphin issue but this looks to be the hardest part to prove as there seems to be very little facilities capable of checking this out as Japan or the US from reports..

Does anyone out there know who could check for the presence of endorphins in blood samples if produced ?

Also, this guy still found out that you could make a horse faint by simply turning it's head and if going on the video's on his site are genuine he has concrete proof already...

Interesting though...
 
Some one is making claims that it drops their blood pressure and they faint? I think they could design a scientific experiment to prove that. If they did then we would have some thing to talk about. I don't think this technique of handling horses is either anything new or particularly useful.
 
Dogdoctor said:
Some one is making claims that it drops their blood pressure and they faint? I think they could design a scientific experiment to prove that. If they did then we would have some thing to talk about. I don't think this technique of handling horses is either anything new or particularly useful.
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I will see what proof he has got about the blood pressure..

Can you prove the it isn't new ?

In my 20+ years of riding and working with horse, I have never seen a horse bow down to a human in 7 seconds and everyone I had asked about this including vets and trainers have said the same thing...

This guys looks to have perfected something that use to take ropes to achieve...

Have you actually dealt with unruly horses or does you S/N say it all ?
 
I know stunt-men used to do this to get horses to lay down and other vets I have talked to were aware of this technique for at least 30 years.
 
Dogdoctor said:
I know stunt-men used to do this to get horses to lay down and other vets I have talked to were aware of this technique for at least 30 years.
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I think your mis-understand the technique..

stunt-men use force and pull the horse over with strength, this guy just waits for the horse to zonk itself out with no force..

Can you show us some documentation that this has been around ?

And you vet friends did not see how valuable this could be in the right hands ?
 
I think you are mistaken. You can't force a horse to lie down they are too strong. Anyway there is no information to discuss on this topic just opinions so you have yours I have mine and unless there is some new reliable data I have nothing further to say.
 
Your right,

I think this is new..

You don't,

So who ever comes up with something concrete might help you stop scratching butt ....

There is something to learn here and I don't believe "you can't teach an old Dogdoctor new tricks.."
 
Well. Having ridden horses for a number of years I'm very sceptical of the claim.
The 'little' horses with big horses is an odd one as donkeys are put in with racehorses to keep them placid and workable..
and the use of 'teaser' pony stallions
And the sheep claim is generally how the sheep is held when you cut their throat
 
What kind of a bozo is going to come to a skeptics forum and present no reliable information and insult a skeptic who happens to disagree?
 
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