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Psychics and Missing People

Kelly,

My admiration for the work you are doing and my sympathy for the circumstances that led you into it.

As of this morning, 3/13, it appears that psychicpredators.com is still not registered. I have heard rumors that squatters will sometimes register a name just because they have sniffed interest in the name by someone else. I don't know if that rumor is valid but you don't need to take the risk. I'm sure that if you delegate the task to one of our members who has volunteered that it could be registered today. I will add my name to the list of volunteers for that task if the others are preoccupied with jobs you've already assigned.

P.S. I also favor the name secondwavepredators.com .org .whatever
 
Roadtoad said:
I ought to mention, Kelly, I put a mention of your site on the EveryTruckJob.com forum. Hopefully, that will generate some more hits, and get the word out.
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Thanks, RT...you da truckin man. Since we do interface with the trucking industry because of our 18 Wheel Angels program, they should have at least heard of us, but not in this respect.

I hope things are going better for you. :)
 
YoPopa said:
Kelly,

My admiration for the work you are doing and my sympathy for the circumstances that led you into it.

As of this morning, 3/13, it appears that psychicpredators.com is still not registered. I have heard rumors that squatters will sometimes register a name just because they have sniffed interest in the name by someone else. I don't know if that rumor is valid but you don't need to take the risk. I'm sure that if you delegate the task to one of our members who has volunteered that it could be registered today. I will add my name to the list of volunteers for that task if the others are preoccupied with jobs you've already assigned.

P.S. I also favor the name secondwavepredators.com .org .whatever
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FowlSound, FowlSound, where fore art thou, FowlSound? He's locked in a domain name, but needed to convince GoDaddy to allow a slight change which would be psychicpredators.com. Hopefully, they will do so before someone snatches the name.

Thank you for the reminder and for the well wishes. Claus and FS are the primaries on the website work. Feel free to see if they need any extra help with that.
 
Luke T. said:
Now we're getting somewhere.

The longer the diaolog, the better. It shows how a psychic will use maxiumum verbosity, counting on the victim to remember the hits and forget the misses.

I read your encounter with Sharon Nolte. Three hours! Same thing. Gibber on incessantly, using what information you gave her to weave a giant tapestry of B.S. in the hopes something will ring "true" for you later on, or to plant an idea in your head that just won't go away, causing you to seek confirmation.

Any chance we can take a look at this IM dialog? It should be made public, and let me tell you why.

That's why any dialog you have, Kelly, is of utmost importance. It will help other people see it's all the same old B.S.

If they have heard it before, they will recognize it immediately. If they haven't heard it yet, they will recognize it when they hear it again.

Either way, it will snap people back to reality.
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HI Luke,

The family did give permission to share it on the blog. I did email it to Meg as (I believe) she is going to place commentary within to demonstrate what the psychic is trying to pull on the family member. If you would like to look at it, too, and maybe collaborate with Meg, I would be happy to email it to you.

Do you think I should publish it here, too?

I wouldn't be able to do either one until this evening, as I cannot access my read home emails from work.

I'm sorry for all that your wife went through, but glad you wre able to help her see the light.

I am surprised I see nothing else about SN online. You'd think she'd be in the news now and then, wouldn't you? :mad:
 
KellyJ said:
HI Luke,

The family did give permission to share it on the blog. I did email it to Meg as (I believe) she is going to place commentary within to demonstrate what the psychic is trying to pull on the family member. If you would like to look at it, too, and maybe collaborate with Meg, I would be happy to email it to you.
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Okay, email it to me. I will PM Meg to see if she wants any help.


I am surprised I see nothing else about SN online. You'd think she'd be in the news now and then, wouldn't you? :mad:
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For a psychic, even bad press is good press. The less she is in the news, the better. It means she isn't getting any traction.
 
I haven't been in this, the "General Skepticism" part of the JREF board in a couple of weeks, and so had not seen this thread until KellyJ won the February Language award (congratulations by the way - well-deserved!).

I've just got to say how proud I am to be a part of this forum. What you people are all pulling together here, with Kelly at the helm, is nothing less than wonderful. And it will help countless more people than the StopKaz site ever will, since the topic is, sadly, something which effects far more people.

For months, I've been thinking about what I might do next, now that Kaz is laying low. And a site about psychics was high on my list of possibilities.

But with Kelly's perspective and expertise, she makes this project far more credible and meaningful than it would be from a generic skeptical perspective such as mine. She obviously has the passion and drive to make it work, and with the forum gang behind her, I expect this to be a site that will really make a difference in a lot of lives.

Kelly, for you to have taken such pain and suffering and used them to fuel the positive things you do is an inspiration.

If there is anything I can do, please let me know. But it looks like you're in very capable hands already.

-RSL
 
RSLancastr said:
If there is anything I can do, please let me know. But it looks like you're in very capable hands already.
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Kelly, this man's kung fu is too strong for charlatans. If you need someone to nail a psychic to the wall, this is your guy. Someone like that Nolte character is right up his alley. In fact, when I read your blog entry about her and the claims she made (related to Nick Nolte), I immediately thought of RSL and Kaz DeMille and her similar claims.
 
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RSLancastr said:
I haven't been in this, the "General Skepticism" part of the JREF board in a couple of weeks, and so had not seen this thread until KellyJ won the February Language award (congratulations by the way - well-deserved!).

I've just got to say how proud I am to be a part of this forum. What you people are all pulling together here, with Kelly at the helm, is nothing less than wonderful. And it will help countless more people than the StopKaz site ever will, since the topic is, sadly, something which effects far more people.

For months, I've been thinking about what I might do next, now that Kaz is laying low. And a site about psychics was high on my list of possibilities.

But with Kelly's perspective and expertise, she makes this project far more credible and meaningful than it would be from a generic skeptical perspective such as mine. She obviously has the passion and drive to make it work, and with the forum gang behind her, I expect this to be a site that will really make a difference in a lot of lives.

Kelly, for you to have taken such pain and suffering and used them to fuel the positive things you do is an inspiration.

If there is anything I can do, please let me know. But it looks like you're in very capable hands already.

-RSL
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I would agree! I've had a wonderful, warm welcome, and more help than I'd dreamed of. I didn't know what kind of response I might get, but everyone pitched in and provided valuable information to help with the series. Not only that, but the project also blossomed into a future website.

You are more than welcome to write a guest post on the series, or provide a quote if you'd like. I can also use help with gathering up the best of the best of articles about psychics and missing people for the website.

I am still strongly considering adding a forum to the site and having it moderated by the gentle persuasions of several here who have stepped forward and indicated an interest.

One of my favorite quotes:

"Only those who risk going too far can possibly find out how far they can go.” T.S. Elliot

We're stronger working together. :)
 
Luke T. said:
Kelly, this man's kung fu is too strong for charlatans. If you need someone to nail a psychic to the wall, this is your guy. Someone like that Nolte character is right up his alley. In fact, when I read your blog entry about her and the claims she made (related to Nick Nolte), I immediately thought of RSL and Kaz DeMille and her similar claims.
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Great article, Luke!

It will be very interesting if she gets wind of this and contacts me.

Based upon her foul mouth in the news article, I doubt it would be pretty.
 
Azrael 5 said:
Here we go with another...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/4803388.stm
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For those who don't know, this is Diane Lazarus - the "winner" of the UK program 'Britain's Psychic Challenge' mentioned before. Her website claims much success in missing persons cases.

However, although it is probably pretty obvious that a person leaving a bar on New Year's Day located next to the docks is likely to have fallen into the water and perished, I find it interesting that the mother prefers to cling to the hope that her son is still alive, and she doesn't actually seem to comment either way on Diane's abilities.

Diane's comments were pretty specific, so I am interested to see how this turns out. The whole thing makes me quite angry, as she was also quite graphic.
 
On further reading, Diane took the mother out on a boat, and covered the same area that the police have just spent 2 weeks diving in.
Grasping.
 
(sorry for blathering on, here)

Inspired by Luke T I decided to write to the BBC about the article:

In your report: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/4803686.stm

You state "Diane Lazarus has helped the police in the Republic and in Britain find other missing people.".

I feel this is misleading, and should require firmer journalistic handling. At the least, you should state that :"Diane Lazarus claims to have helped the police in the Republic and in Britain find other missing people."

There is no documented evidence, anywhere, that any missing person case has been solved by a psychic. When a psychic claims to have helped the police, this is usually in the form of providing "information" - often unverifiable, or vague. The implication is that the BBC supports the use of psychics in locating missing people, when the focus should be on the legitimate efforts of the police. This particular family claim the police have not done enough, and I feel a report on why they feel that - what the police have contributed, and what operational restrictions the police come under - would be much more informative and constructive to others in the same unfortunate position.

I wonder if you will follow this report up with information should Mr Kelly ever re-appear, with a view to verifying any information against what Diane Lazarus said - precise details only. I don't believe any information has been provided that could not have been guessed at by any reasonable person - that he fell in the water, being between a bar and the docks, on a celebratory holiday. I trust that if he turns up alive - and I sincerely hope he does - that you will revisit this report with another, giving the balancing case when the psychic was clearly wrong. People never seem to be given that kind of information - only vague anecdotes of when they were supposedly correct.
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I'll let you know if they respond.
 
chillzero said:
Inspired by Luke T I decided to write to the BBC about the article:



I'll let you know if they respond.
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I've sent one as well:

In the story you state "Diane Lazarus has helped the police in the Republic and in Britain find other missing people."

Yet there is no evidence at all that I can find that Diane Lazarus has ever helped police find any missing person ever. It appears you have merely used a claim she has made without any fact checking. (As far as I am aware there is not one police force in the UK that gives credit to any "psychic" for ever finding any missing person.)

Diane Lazarus may claim that she has "helped" police however since the police are obligated to look into any possible lead anyone can claim they have “helped” the police even if they have only ever spoken to a police officer during the course of an investigation!

However anyone reading your article would come away with the impression that it is a fact that Diane Lazarus has indeed found missing people, surely this is very misleading in a news report?
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Well I emailed Diane Lazarus a few times to no avail.But then who expects any less?
 
KellyJ said:
The more the merrier. Hopefully, it will force a response out of them. Thanks, Darat.
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Merrier it is then. Paraphrased some of the article I wrote and tailored it to the situation. My email to them:

I am commenting on your story about a psychic being used to locate a missing person that you posted on your web site here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/4803686.stm

There are a lot of ways a news outlet can draw attention to a missing person case. For example, they can publish the missing person’s photos, give all the details of the disappearance that are known, and interview the police to see what progress has been made. Stick to the facts. With any luck, such a report might trigger a memory in the mind of a witness in the reading audience and lead to a break in the case.

A responsible news organization does not throw the track off the missing person’s disappearance by tripping the light fantastic through the Twilight Zone, repeating what a bloodsucking predator of the grieving parents says occurred, which in all likelihood contradicts what events actually transpired, thereby discouraging witnesses from coming forward. Not when a tragedy of such terrible proportions is at stake. Such gross irresponsibility is beyond the pale.

But that is precisely what you chose to do.

You are giving this psychic predator credibility with the BBC name, and diminishing your credibility with her name.

You are a part of the problem. You are greasing the skids for these creeps to help push people into deeper despair.

Shame, shame, shame on you.
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Sorry about the domain name. I got a call in a while back and was sidetracked. I will call again, and hope they let me change it. If not, I will register the second one and point them both at the website.

Sorry!

*mumbles something about needing a clone to help with all the bloody work...
 
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