Feingold wants to censure Bush.

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Wisconsin senator Russ Feingold (of McCain/Feingold fame) is proposing that Congress censure Bush for his domestic spying programs:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060313/ap_on_go_co/bush_censure

My uber-Republican father went through the roof when he heard this on the news. The literal screams (yes, he screams at the TV whenever he hears something he disagrees coming from it) of "commie," "traitor," and "f--king Jew" could probably be heard down the block.

As for me? Meh... I don't think it's going to do any good, but you won't hear me complain about it.
 
I suspect that even people deeply troubled by the NSA program are dumbstruck by the irony of the co-author of the among the greatest assaults on the First Amendment in the history of the country lecturing someone else on the Constitution.
 
I just saw the story myself. To the Republican claim that this "weakens the President", I say "GOOD". I find the idea of a President who isn't answerable for his actions to be far more frightening than Al Qaeda.
 
rdaneel said:
I just saw the story myself. To the Republican claim that this "weakens the President", I say "GOOD". I find the idea of a President who isn't answerable for his actions to be far more frightening than Al Qaeda.
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I agree! In spite of the notions that it "weakens the President," or "it hurts the morale of the troops," or "it sends the wrong message to our allies," or any other ridiculous excuses this administration uses to hint that people who question their actions aren't patriotic.

It's time that someone DID SOMETHING! Even if it is just a political slap on the hand.
 
Mephisto said:
I agree! In spite of the notions that it "weakens the President," or "it hurts the morale of the troops," or "it sends the wrong message to our allies," or any other ridiculous excuses this administration uses to hint that people who question their actions aren't patriotic.
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Amazingly, the one excuse we AREN'T hearing from repubs in congress (such as Bill Frist) is that, "It is an acceptable thing to do."
 
manny said:
I suspect that even people deeply troubled by the NSA program are dumbstruck by the irony of the co-author of the among the greatest assaults on the First Amendment in the history of the country lecturing someone else on the Constitution.
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Yeah, trying to reign in the global corporations and their despicable lobbyists would just ruin this country. Meanwhile, Bush can really try to destroy the 1st Ammendment and no one cares.

But thank God the corporations are safe.
 
pgwenthold said:
Amazingly, the one excuse we AREN'T hearing from repubs in congress (such as Bill Frist) is that, "It is an acceptable thing to do."
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Yeah, although we heard it plenty back when Clinton was in office. Where is the indignation that we were told they felt when Clinton got a hummer? Where is the outcry that impetuous actions diminish the office of the Presidency? Nevermind explaining to our children what a BJ is, why should we have to explain to our children that our President is sacrificing the lives of thousands of soldiers for a lie, that he's spying on the American people (are they still teaching the Bill of Rights to all these kids that aren't being left behind?), that he says we don't torture, but we have secret prisons? There are so many horrible things that so many horrible people could speak out against, but I guess the big tax breaks buy their silence!
 
I'm not sure if the censure is of any use, but at least it got some people talking about things that Bush sould be impeeched for
 
I'm not sure if the censure is of any use, but at least it got some people talking about things that Bush sould be impeeched for
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Actually, more than anything, I think it has people talking about Feingold...

From the linked article:
"This conduct is right in the strike zone of the concept of high crimes and misdemeanors," said Feingold, D-Wis., a three-term senator and potential presidential contender.
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There's your answer. The "censure" is indeed of use...to Feingold.
 
Mark said:
Yeah, trying to reign in the global corporations and their despicable lobbyists would just ruin this country.
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Corporations are simply the agents of people. Behind every corporation is a human being. Liberals keep talking about reigning in "corporations" and taxing "corporations" to distract from the fact that they're really talking about reigning in people and taxing people. The fact that you can make exuses for such a blatant violation of the Constitution says a lot about you.

Mephisto said:
Yeah, although we heard it plenty back when Clinton was in office. Where is the indignation that we were told they felt when Clinton got a hummer?
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Clinton did whathe did for personal gratification. Bush did what he did for what he perceived to be the good of the country. Any other obvious facts you'd like explained to you?

Where is the outcry that impetuous actions diminish the office of the Presidency?
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On what basis do you call Bush's actions "impetuous"?

why should we have to explain to our children that our President is sacrificing the lives of thousands of soldiers for a lie,
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If you choose to lie to your children, that's your own fault.

that he's spying on the American people
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My understanding is that he's spying on foreigners.

that he says we don't torture, but we have secret prisons?
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Is there something wrtong with that? Perhaps we should announce to our enemies where we are keeping their men?
 
The Republicans have been telling Dems to bring it on and that this is actually a gift to them. They want this debate but apparently only Fiengold wants to debate it.

Feingold’s Gift to the GOP

If it could be arranged, surely Republican National Committee chairman Ken Mehlman would hug Wisconsin Democrat Sen. Russ Feingold right now. As the White House struggles to find its political footing, Sen. Feingold has offered it a handy crutch with his proposal to censure President Bush for the National Security Agency surveillance program. The Democrats had just concluded a successful two-week bout of eroding the president's national-security credentials with baseless attacks on the Dubai ports deal. Now, the party's Left apparently believes it's time to switch back to type and bolster Bush's national-security credentials by demonstrating the Democrats' own lack of seriousness in the War on Terror.
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The democrats lose elections because they have an alarming tendency to step on their own dicks. They are well positioned now to make significant gains in '06. This kind of (potential) Democratic pile-on will create sympathy (particularly since the electorate does not seem terribly upset with Bush over this one) for the President about a non-existant issue. Aside from stroking the ego of some democrats, exactly what does this achieve?

Mr. Dick? Meet Mr. Foot.
 
Art Vandelay said:
Corporations are simply the agents of people. Behind every corporation is a human being. Liberals keep talking about reigning in "corporations" and taxing "corporations" to distract from the fact that they're really talking about reigning in people and taxing people.
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:dl:

Yes, those pesky Liberals have been trying to fool everyone into thinking that corporations are owned and staffed entirely by winged monkeys, and anyone who uses the word "corporation" is in on this massive deceit. As usual, your twitching shrieking paranoia gives you a perfect insight into the Great Big Conspiracy.

Well, I say "conspiracy", but that's just to distract you from the fact that I'm really talking about people.

Sheesh, what's it like on your planet?
 
pgwenthold said:
Amazingly, the one excuse we AREN'T hearing from repubs in congress (such as Bill Frist) is that, "It is an acceptable thing to do."
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No, but you are mainly hearing that opinion from the american people as a whole, dem and rep alike. That's the problem: the 'repubs' of which you speak want the dems to continue in this.

Some dems just don't get that. Some do.
 
schplurg said:
There's your answer. The "censure" is indeed of use...to Feingold.
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Damned if you do, and damned if you don't. Dems are wimps who couldn't oppose their way out of a wet paper bag, but if any do they're personally motivated politicians. Maybe the Dems should get up on their hind-legs and kick out. "Censure" is far more obtainable than "impeachment", and is the recent accrual of power by the Commander-in-Chief not a matter that resonates in the US electorate? Lincoln's high-handedness did, but that was a long time ago.
 
CapelDodger said:
... and is the recent accrual of power by the Commander-in-Chief not a matter that resonates in the US electorate?
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Regarding this particular topic of interest: a resounding NO is the answer. Most american's (if you believe the polls) are in lock step with bush on this one. That's why the capital hill dems don't want to touch this one. They have to bring it up to certain entrenched groups within their constituancy, but there ain't no way they are going to actually push this: it makes them look weak.
 
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