Is there anything skeptics can't reduce

Belz... said:
That's ridiculous. You don't even know WHAT science is all about, Iacchus. It's about understanding how things work, no matter what the answer turns out to be. If, somehow, there's a God involved, then scientists would accept that.
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My sentiments exactly, Belz. Heck, most of us would dearly love for there to be a kindly benevolent force which makes sure that everything comes out all right in the end. But wishing for it won't make it so. In fact, wishing for it so hard will blind you to finding out what really is there.

So let God bring His cards to the table and lay them down with all the other evidence. If it is good evidence, I'll accept it. I have always sought truth. I would not change my quest because it was an uncomfortable truth.

But neither Iacchus nor his God have ever brought a scrap of evidence to the table. In fact, I haven't heard a peep out of God. All I have heard is Iacchus squawking like a parrot the same old unsubstantiated claims over and over again. If there was a God, I sincerely doubt He'd choose such a delusional whiner for his mouthpiece.
 
My sentiments exactly, Belz. Heck, most of us would dearly love for there to be a kindly benevolent force which makes sure that everything comes out all right in the end. But wishing for it won't make it so. In fact, wishing for it so hard will blind you to finding out what really is there.
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Like the truth that the real kindly benevolent force out there, is of course the collective nature of humans, (when not mistreated). :rolleyes:
 
Tricky said:
It was an assertion, but it is an assertion that upon expansion, even Belz did not contest. I think we all know that the meaning was that he is as scrupulously honest as he can be, but nobody is perfect......
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The kid either doesn't understand the obvious, or he's just like so many on this board with the circular argument game;

He never grew out of the merry-go-round ride.
 
Belz... said:
That's ridiculous. You don't even know WHAT science is all about, Iacchus. It's about understanding how things work, no matter what the answer turns out to be.......
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All correct.

... If, somehow, there's a God involved, then scientists would accept that....
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Until then, it's denial of all things not understood. And it's easy to do with logical, circular arguments!
 
Tricky said:
....So let God bring His cards to the table and lay them down with all the other evidence. If it is good evidence, I'll accept it. I have always sought truth. I would not change my quest because it was an uncomfortable truth......
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By making such a demand, who is the God, and who is the student?
 
Huntster said:
The kid either doesn't understand the obvious, or he's just like so many on this board with the circular argument game;

He never grew out of the merry-go-round ride.
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It's sad that even when you do have a point to make, you can't help but be as insulting as possible.
 
Huntster said:
By making such a demand, who is the God, and who is the student?
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Teachers don't generally hide, fail to provide evidence of their existance, and then punish those who don't believe in an unbelieveable premise. A student/teacher relationship isn't really a good comparison.
 
Huntster said:
Wouldn't that depend on the lesson the teacher is trying to get across?
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Alright. I'm open to the possibility that condeming people to firey, endless torment for getting a question wrong on a test might be an effective teaching instrument. So, what's the lesson?
 
Huntster said:
Until then, it's denial of all things not understood. And it's easy to do with logical, circular arguments!
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It is not a denial of things not understood. It is the attempt to understand things not understood. If we see the evidence that a thing exists, we look for evidence of the cause. But there is no sense in looking for the cause of a thing for which there is no evidence that it exists.

Huntster said:
By making such a demand, who is the God, and who is the student?
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We are the students. We are sitting in class waiting for the lesson which we have signed up to take. If God is the teacher, then He should teach. The student has the right to expect the teacher to show up for the class. If the teacher refuses to teach, then there is no lesson. A teacher who refuses to teach is not really a teacher.
 
Tricky said:
We are the students. We are sitting in class waiting for the lesson which we have signed up to take. If God is the teacher, then He should teach. The student has the right to expect the teacher to show up for the class. If the teacher refuses to teach, then there is no lesson. A teacher who refuses to teach is not really a teacher.
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Some would say the Teacher did show up for class. They would call this the Incarnation of Christ.
 
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ruach1 said:
Some would say the Teacher did show up for class. They would call this the Incarnation of Christ.:
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They might say that. They might call it that. I'm still waiting for the teacher to show up. I won't accept someone telling me that he showed up and I missed it.
 
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Belz... said:
That's ridiculous. You don't even know WHAT science is all about, Iacchus. It's about understanding how things work, no matter what the answer turns out to be. If, somehow, there's a God involved, then scientists would accept that.
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And, if eveyone decided "Goddidit" was an acceptable answer to everything which has gone unanswered thus far? Why continue to do any research?
 
Iacchus said:
And, if eveyone decided "Goddidit" was an acceptable answer to everything which has gone unanswered thus far? Why continue to do any research?
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We could research God's nature. We could see what mechanisms he used in creating the universe and what not. We could do science much the same way it was done 200 years ago.

If god does exist (that's an enormous if), that doesn't make the theory of gravity false, or the theory of evolution.
Nor does it mean we won't find anything else predictable about the universe. It just means there's something else that we may never understand, that could have an effect on things.
Okay, well, let's see if we can learn anything about that too.

But we can only do any of that with the evidence we have available to us. Evidence that as yet doesn't suggest any influence from a supernatural being. But I'm willing to look at any that arises.
 
12th century crusaders.....hmm a bunch of religious fanatics that massacred a lot of innocents.
 
Tricky said:
So let God bring His cards to the table and lay them down with all the other evidence. If it is good evidence, I'll accept it. I have always sought truth.
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My mother told me once that, when I was a wee baby, I often refused to sleep because I wanted to see everything that was going on.

I guess you could already see where THAT was going.
 
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