Merged Australian Politics / Australian election

[lionking]

I have always said that self induced intoxication or psychosis should be considered a mandatory aggravating factor in crimes.

You won’t get an argument from me.

 

[a_unique_person]

All that has been reported about his mental health is that family members were concerned.

Neighbours as well. He was howling out loud and totally isolated.

 

[lionking]

Neighbours as well. He was howling out loud and totally isolated.

I howl out loud when home alone “singing” along to YouTube.

Still no evidence of mental illness.

 

[a_unique_person]

I howl out loud when home alone “singing” along to YouTube.

Still no evidence of mental illness.

The neighbours knew him better than you and what was of concern to them.

 

[lionking]

The neighbours knew him better than you and what was of concern to them.

Whatever. I just hope he faces a trial by jury.

 

[Norman Alexander]

What we have, in fact, is a weak narcissist who thinks the world owes him a living, (“wah, I’m only on the DSP not NDIS”; “I’m smart, so why won’t someone give me a job”) and is 100% responsible for his own actions.

Unhinged? Sure. Who wouldn’t be given the amount of weed he was consuming? But that doesn’t make him mentally ill, and there is absolutely no evidence he was.

But it’s only a matter of time before the ABC, the Age or the Guardian (or all three) declare him the real victim.[/HIHILITE]

Again with the strawmanning? This is beneath you.

 

[lionking]

Again with the strawmanning? This is beneath you.

What? This is not strawmanning, it’s a prediction. And I have good reason for making it.

 

[NatalieSalat]

exactly. Just as with the fake "protesters" who deliberately pick fights to get the Age and the ABC and Guardian to go off about "police brutality" the following day.

 

[Norman Alexander]

exactly. Just as with the fake "protesters" who deliberately pick fights to get the Age and the ABC and Guardian to go off about "police brutality" the following day.

No, they don't. They report the fake protesters AND the real ones. The press groups screaming about so-called "leftist protesters" breaking stuff are the right wing gutter rags. They "accidentally" never, or just could not be arsed to, check facts.

 

[Norman Alexander]

What? This is not strawmanning, it’s a prediction. And I have good reason for making it.

Again... Reporting what happens without condemning people is NOT endorsing their actions. It's just reporting.

 

[novaphile]

I have always said that self induced intoxication or psychosis should be considered a mandatory aggravating factor in crimes.

Could not agree more.

I'd also like to see the complete elimination of 'the drunk's defence' in Australia, with that elimination expanded to consumption of any drug.

(The drunk's defence is where the defence argue that a person was intoxicated, therefore not of sound mind, therefore not criminally responsible. Particularly heinous where a person gets liquored up seeking 'Dutch Courage' before committing an offence.)

 

[EHocking]

Could not agree more.

I'd also like to see the complete elimination of 'the drunk's defence' in Australia, with that elimination expanded to consumption of any drug.

(The drunk's defence is where the defence argue that a person was intoxicated, therefore not of sound mind, therefore not criminally responsible. Particularly heinous where a person gets liquored up seeking 'Dutch Courage' before committing an offence.)

Which I never understood.
If the “drunk’s defence” had any validity, driving driving laws would be unenforceable.

At the moment, if you choose to drive drunk, you’re responsible for your actions, as you chose to drink and drive.
That should apply to all actions, not just driving.

 

[lionking]

If anyone thinks the Coalition has any hope at the next federal election, have a look at this:

Albanese bets on trade brawl to bash Coalition amid inflation woes

The prime minister has seized on Coalition dissent after this masthead revealed one Liberal warned the Nationals’ position on the EU free trade deal was “nutty”.

www.theage.com.au

Opposing a trade deal with Europe is lunacy and confirms that Fraser and Canavan are unreconstructured protectionists.

As Albo said:

Trade is a good thing. I thought this was resolved in the 1980s under the Hawke and Keating governments and that, since then, there was support across this parliament and across the mainstream political parties.”

“This is just an excuse for going down the road of protectionist and nativist politics. Nativist politics is not in Australia’s national interest. We are a trading nation.”

 

[arthwollipot]

Yeah, we wouldn't want to stop trading coal, would we?

 

[rjh01]

Here is a link not behind a wall https://theconversation.com/failure...ould-cost-australia-far-more-than-beef-294855

Australia and the European Union agreed on a comprehensive free-trade agreement (FTA) in March, after nearly eight years negotiating and much political rancour. The agreement abolishes almost all bilateral tariffs, covering 98% of Australian goods exports and broadens our export base at a time of high US tariffs.

The Nationals oppose it for invalid reasons and the Liberals are divided. The problem is that the agreement must pass both houses.

Edit. Here is another link https://www.dfat.gov.au/trade/agreements/not-yet-in-force/aeufta/key-outcomes-and-benefits
There is no mention of coal in the agreement.

 

[lionking]

Yeah, we wouldn't want to stop trading coal, would we?

And gas. And uranium. There’s a demand for them and we would be stupid to ignore that.

Europe wants our primary products and a trade agreement with them will help us ignore the US.

 

[The Atheist]

Yeah, keep exporting those hydrocarbons.

What's the worst that could happen?