Split Thread Islamic takeover

[arthwollipot]

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[sackett]

It's quite true that old-time Muslim regimes didn't massacre their infidel populations, they just taxed
them.

And forced them to listen to screeching tuneless muezzins 5 times a day. Barbarism!

 

[Trausti]

It's quite true that old-time Muslim regimes didn't massacre their infidel populations,

Banu Qurayz. Is there any other major world religion for which its adherents openly venerate a mass murderer? Why do Western lefties feel compelled to defend this crap?

 

[sackett]

Banu Qurayz. Is there any other major world religion for which its adherents openly venerate a mass murderer? Why do Western lefties feel compelled to defend this crap?

You poor muddled creature.

 

[Trausti]

You poor muddled creature.

The left call everyone who doesn't agree with them a Nazi; they warn of the risk of fascism. But when presented with a warmongering, illiberal, authoritarian political ideology, it's okay because it's non-Western. A very weird masochism.

 

[Trausti]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2108705065787936807

 

[Lukraak_Sisser]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2108705065787936807

Yes, he is a hateful bigot.
Just like all human groups, islamic subsects also produce those.

The thing is, just because is uses Islam to justify his hatred, that does not mean that all those who are Islamic agree with him
In the same way not all Jews are responsible for the crimes of Netanyahu. Or all Christians are in agreement with the crimes of Putin.

in the UK Reform only disagrees with him on the name of the religion that needs to be used, not the rest of his intended policies.

 

[arthwollipot]

 

[Helen]

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And the Sami are not that far behind...

Judging millions of people, based on the worst of them, seems kind of unfair - i am not Brenton Harrison Tarrant. I am not Rickard Andersson. I am not Eliot Rodger.

 

[Abooga]

Yes, he is a hateful bigot.
Just like all human groups, islamic subsects also produce those.

The thing is, just because is uses Islam to justify his hatred, that does not mean that all those who are Islamic agree with him
In the same way not all Jews are responsible for the crimes of Netanyahu. Or all Christians are in agreement with the crimes of Putin.

in the UK Reform only disagrees with him on the name of the religion that needs to be used, not the rest of his intended policies.

Would you say the same thing about far right hateful bigots?
"Nothing to worry about, just like all human groups, right wingers also produce those"...

Should we not worry about the rise of the far right then? Good to know, it had me worried for a bit...

 

[Abooga]

And, oh, every instance of white people invading and colonizing a place, ever.
Other than that, there's probably countless instances of some group moving into a new region and eventually supplanting or dominating the local population. Definitely not limited to Islam, and I struggle to believe that OP actually believes that it was.

Heck, the ice retreated from Norway 12 000 years ago, and we people who live here today came here 5000 years ago. Multiple groups had lived in what we today call Norway before then.

What´s your point with this comment? That the invasion and subjugation from muslims is unavoidable and therefore we shouldn´t worry too much about it? WTH?

 

[Abooga]

so you are equally appealed by Russian Orthodox Extremism?
Evangelicalism?
Whatever type of Catholicism Vance picked?
Hegseth murdering people on boats in the Name of Christ?

You are just not looking very hard when you think Islam is at all special when it comes to radical nutjobs thinking that if they appease the Sky Daddy, he will grant them wishes.

I already said it, I find all extremisms similarly toxic and dangerous. Basing your beliefs in irrational religions and ideologies seems to give rise to these kind of groups. But I live in Europe and am concerned about the invasion I´m seeing with my own eyes every day. If I lived in the USA I would likely be more concerned about those religious freaks you have over there...

 

[Abooga]

White people takeover

The origin of Islamism is easy to explain. A huge percentage of white people are Nazis or magats, and their ideology demands total submission to Donald Dump. The threat level depends on the country, but in several white countries the number of far-right whites is increasing, and so if the current trend increases, in a few years there will be more far-right white people in many countries than any other group! In fact a huge percentage of white people are Nazis, although I can't prove this with statistics because white people are very mysterious and arcane, rather like ghosts and djinns, and measuring far right-ness would be like measuring qi or chakras, so it's of course it's very variable and impossible to quantify. However, the fact that only a small percentage of white people are far-right supremacists just makes them like the Borg ---most of them are mindless drones concerned only with keeping their countries running and clean, while the rest plot and scheme to take over the world. Look at America, where most people aren't far-right white people, or all the colonies ruled by a tiny minority of white people: Even tiny numbers of far-right white people can be enough to completely upend a country, and as MAGA proves, they can start imposing their will long before they become a majority.

Also, if you ask working class people who share residences with white people, some of them will say the white people they live with are insufferable racists! In fact, I myself have spoken to SEVERAL white Nazis and magats who held horrible views, so I know there are a lot of them, everywhere, and one of them even said to just wait for far-right violence to happen, shortly before the July 22nd attacks! In fact, some of them even warn of a full-fledged race war! Of course, you won't find more evidence white people are horrible Nazis because mainstream media has hidden all the facts. Yes, every time someone makes progress in showing that most white people are Nazis, the mainstream media comes in the dead of night and takes all the research away!

Also, white people abhor freedom of speech, because if you cherry pick some singular opinion that's particularly vicious in their culture, you'll find most of them think it SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO BE PUBLISHED! Also if you look at atrocities like July 22nd, and you'll find a tiny minority of white people who supported and celebrated those attacks! If the fact that the vast majority of white people were shocked and horrified by the attack doesn't prove that white people are dangerous, I don't even know what will!

And no, this is not a race issue at all, why would you believe I'm predisposed against white people when nothing I've written indicates that. Also MAGA is not a race, so THERE!!

What the hell is the point of this? Are you saying that we shouldn´t be worried about far right rising up to power and making a mess of things? What a ridiculous thing to imply, in the USA it already has. Maga are indeed a minority and look at the mess they are making. Your example actually proves my point, a sufficiently motivated, cheating, violent minority with no respect for democratic institutions can rise, and has risen to power, and look at the mess they are making.

Thanks for helping me prove my point!

 

[catsmate]

It's quite true that old-time Muslim regimes didn't massacre their infidel populations, they just taxed
them.

And forced them to listen to screeching tuneless muezzins 5 times a day. Barbarism!

My first thought was, someone hasn't been paying attention to Israel recently......

 

[Gulliver Foyle]

It's quite true that old-time Muslim regimes didn't massacre their infidel populations, they just taxed
them.

And forced them to listen to screeching tuneless muezzins 5 times a day. Barbarism!

Could've been worse, they could have subjected the people to Daniel O'Donnell or *shudders* Declan Nerney.

 

[Gulliver Foyle]

@Abooga: It says a lot about you that not alone that you believe in such obviously false neo-fascist bovine excrement, but that you are willing to propogate it on a site where anybody with two braincells would realise that the nonsense will be ripped to shreds very promptly.

Learn to parse reality.

 

[Abooga]

@Abooga: It says a lot about you that not alone that you believe in such obviously false neo-fascist bovine excrement, but that you are willing to propogate it on a site where anybody with two braincells would realise that the nonsense will be ripped to shreds very promptly.

Learn to parse reality.

So far I only read some comments that actually helped prove my point. If it´s so easy to show I´m wrong, by all means, have a go at it. Just saying it´s neo-fascist doesn´t cut it, it´s just a smear and makes you look bad.

 

[Abooga]

Just to be clear, there indeed is a neo-fascist CT (Great Replacement) that stipulates that elites, Soros, etc are trying to replace the white race. That´s a CT and not my point, what I´m positing, as started in the Ukranian war thread, is that the far right has it easy to push for this Great Replacement CT and similar anti-immigrant rhetorics, and gain votes thanks to it, thanks to the CT being based on a grain of truth. Lies are easier to sell if they are based on some grain of truth. The far right in Europe are growing a lot thanks to the anti-immigration sentiment in Europe. Some of that sentiment is racism and unwarranted, but some is a totally warranted worry about the rise of Islam in Europe and the problems it has brought, problems which will grow and grow if the trend continues. That´s not a CT, that´s not racism, in fact it stems from believing in and wanting to preserve humanist principles, the very opposite of the far-right I wish weren´t so emboldened these days. Also and more pressingly Ukraine will be helpless if Germany and France elect Russian puppets, like the USA seems to have done.

Icerat started arguing with me thinking that I was defending the far right, I´m not, I´m just worried that they will gain too much power and that will be a disaster for Ukraine in the short run. The solution would have been for mainstream political parties to tackle this issue and not to keep pushing it under the rug. It´s perhaps too late now, but they should still try.

 

[icerat]

Just to be clear, there indeed is a neo-fascist CT (Great Replacement) that stipulates that elites, Soros, etc are trying to replace the white race. That´s a CT and not my point, what I´m positing, as started in the Ukranian war thread, is that the far right has it easy to push for this Great Replacement CT and similar anti-immigrant rhetorics, and gain votes thanks to it, thanks to the CT being based on a grain of truth. Lies are easier to sell if they are based on some grain of truth.

Yes, all good propaganda uses a grain of truth. And it works. It appears to have worked on you.

The far right in Europe are growing a lot thanks to the anti-immigration sentiment in Europe. Some of that sentiment is racism and unwarranted, but some is a totally warranted worry about the rise of Islam in Europe and the problems it has brought, problems which will grow and grow if the trend continues. That´s not a CT, that´s not racism, in fact it stems from believing in and wanting to preserve humanist principles, the very opposite of the far-right I wish weren´t so emboldened these days.

Islam remains a minority religion in Europe. Heck, the rate of Islam is higher in Russia! The country the far-right admires. There is zero risk of "replacement", the facts simply don't support it. Yes there is a far greater risk to humanist principles from the rise of the far-right than from Islam - so it's they you should be protesting. Sure, and the jihadists. And the radical orthodox jews.

Extremisim is the problem, and the propagandists and powers that use them create fear for their own purposes. Most christians, muslims, buddhists, atheists, whatever just want to get on with life, go to work, watch the football etc etc etc.

Also and more pressingly Ukraine will be helpless if Germany and France elect Russian puppets, like the USA seems to have done. Icerat started arguing with me thinking that I was defending the far right, I´m not, I´m just worried that they will gain too much power and that will be a disaster for Ukraine in the short run. The solution would have been for mainstream political parties to tackle this issue and not to keep pushing it under the rug. It´s perhaps too late now, but they should still try.

The far right be elected to power will be a problem for more than just Ukraine