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What did Democrats do wrong?

What did Democrats do wrong?

  • Didn't fight inflation enough.

    Votes: 13 14.9%
  • Didn't fight illegal immigration enough.

    Votes: 24 27.6%
  • Too much focus on abortion.

    Votes: 2 2.3%
  • Too much transgender stuff.

    Votes: 31 35.6%
  • America not ready for Progressive women leader.

    Votes: 31 35.6%
  • Should have kept Joe.

    Votes: 3 3.4%
  • Not enough focus on new jobs.

    Votes: 2 2.3%
  • Nothing, Trump cheated & played dirty!

    Votes: 16 18.4%
  • Didn't stop Gaza War.

    Votes: 9 10.3%
  • I can be Agent M.

    Votes: 6 6.9%

  • Total voters
    87
Current efforts to corrupt national elections notwithstanding, the feds should definitely take over running elections, at least as far as is constitutionally permissible. It's bizarre that we still leave that to the states after the experience of Jim Crow.
 
The advantage is that it makes a lot harder to actually corrupt. For the most part its not even the states that run elections, its counties. Theres's thousands of counties. I think it's a feature not a bug, good idea to have the feds as more independent watchdogs than running the elections.
 
The advantage is that it makes a lot harder to actually corrupt.
I think it's tough to defend that view in light of the way states have corrupted elections throughout our history. Even today, as soon as the Supreme Court invalidates some portion of the Voting Rights Act with we're-not-getting-wet-so-why-the-umbrella logic, those states are ready to jump on the opportunity to corrupt their elections.
 
Sure lets just do away with our right to associate in groups we choose, and have the feds take over running elections.
That's an interesting jump. I don't think I suggested you can't associate in groups as you choose. But there are some definite drawbacks to political parties - they tend to flatten complex topics and to force-team things that a lot of people don't necessarily want to have lumped together. Independents have been a growing cohort over time, and the more flattened the Dems and Reps get, the more Indys there are. I'm far from alone on this - there are some topics that I think Reps have a better take on, some I think Dems have a better take on, and a whole lot of topics where I think they both have their heads up their backsides.
How exactly would elections look if there were no political parties? Ranked choice election for President with thousands of candidates to choose from?
Or phased runoffs. I'm sure we can come up with a hypothetical solution, we're all smart people. Well, okay, most of us are smart people.
 
That's an interesting jump. I don't think I suggested you can't associate in groups as you choose.
If you're suggesting we ban political parties, you are going to run into freedom of association problems, because parties are fundamentally groups of people organized to some political end. It's notable that California's blanket primaries were invalidated by the Supreme Court back in 2000 because they could force parties to accept someone who wasn't a member (in any sense) as their candidate. If that doesn't fly, you can be confident that banning parties altogether won't, either.
 
That's an interesting jump. I don't think I suggested you can't associate in groups as you choose. But there are some definite drawbacks to political parties - they tend to flatten complex topics and to force-team things that a lot of people don't necessarily want to have lumped together. Independents have been a growing cohort over time, and the more flattened the Dems and Reps get, the more Indys there are. I'm far from alone on this - there are some topics that I think Reps have a better take on, some I think Dems have a better take on, and a whole lot of topics where I think they both have their heads up their backsides.
Its not a jump at all. You stated: "I'd go a step further and just get rid of parties". A political party is an association of people who come together to further their collective political aims. The only way to "get rid of them", would be to make them illegal.

Or phased runoffs. I'm sure we can come up with a hypothetical solution, we're all smart people. Well, okay, most of us are smart people.

OK, hypothetically, Congress passes a bill completely banning political parties, and Trump signs it into law. The SCOTUS, for some reason, upholds the new law. How should the 2028 election be organized in your opinion?

Ohh, and please do note that I've been a registered independent since 2008, and that I do believe the primary system we have has caused increasingly worse candidates in recent years. But, thats because most people do not pay attention to them. Ergo, inattention and apathy by the public are why we keep getting two candidates that don't appeal to the mainstream and we are left with choosing the lesser of two evils in most elections.
 

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