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Does 'rape culture' accurately describe (many) societies?

It's also objectively silly and laughable - I could never be into BDSM and the like because I would be bursting out laughing every two minutes.
It must not laugh! It must not smirk or smile! It will obey the One Who Wields the LASH! Must
Its master order It to punish Itself? Beware! lest Its piteous safe word no longer function! Then the
Master will hear weeping, begging, and consenting to His most outrageous desires!

The Master thinks It will like that. Is He right?
 
The evidence is that tastes can and do change.
I asked you a yes or no question: do you believe that someone watching porn can be changed from being a hetrosexual to being a bisexual or homosexual?

I cannot understand why you can't answer it.
 
I asked you a yes or no question: do you believe that someone watching porn can be changed from being a hetrosexual to being a bisexual or homosexual?

I cannot understand why you can't answer it.
The answer is implicit in my post. Yes, a heterosexual can become same-sex attracted or bi.
 
Gotta love the progression here.

Rape culture, and what to do about it -> kiddie pr0n is being shoved at everyone -> all pr0n is bad and should be banned -> THEY'RE TRYING TO TURN US GAY!!11!!
 
You did not respond to the points I made. Sex through porn has become mere speech to you
No.

Speech is not "mere" to me. It is one of the most important things humans can do. Preserving the right of humans to speak freely, even about distasteful subjects, even anti-social ways, is one of the most important values a civilized society can uphold.

Pornography is speech about sex. It is just as important to me as any other kind of speech. Upholding the human right to speak about sex is just as important to me as upholding the human right to speak about anything else. Speech is important. The right to free speech is important.

...and yet you would not recommend it as a career path.
Correct. I also wouldn't recommend football as a career path. But some people choose these careers despite my advice. I'm okay with that.

I have already said that porn should be banned and that we should start with the roleplay stuff.
Somehow in the welter of nonsense that has characterized this thread, I missed that. But I'm glad it's clear. There's not much left to debate, now. You've stated your position - your arguments and reasoning. Now's the time to either answer questions, or step back and let people decide for themselves whether they agree with you.


Education. Let's stop pretending that porn is anything other than a feeding frenzy for our base desires - all at the expense of common decency, healthy relationships and children (who continue to be, as you say, spammed with kinks).
Okay.

What sexual scripts shape the behaviour of modern children tp? You think it is porn kinks don't you? And you are not happy about that are you? How would you describe that? Disgraceful?

And you are fed up with folk excusing the industry aren't you?

Just another way of saying that porn is nothing special to you despite claiming you think it is. Do you agree that heterosexuality is biologically normal and it has to be that way for existential reasons? Do you agree that efficacious child rearing requires relationship stability - that, normally speaking, any sex (including porn 'sex') outside that unit is potentially a threat to that stability
If you have an argument along those lines, make it.

My understanding is that you are against abortions of convenience - that being so, then you must recognise that there is a degree of risk for some porn performers in that respect.
So? If you have a complete argument along these lines, make it.


Is it, though? Is it really ok for you? Are we really done wrangling? Will you really stop trying to get me to make your arguments for you? Will you really just make your own arguments now, in your own words? Will you really step back and let people decide for themselves whether they agree with you, instead of trying to manufacture agreement without consent, via misquotes and misrepresentations?

Is it really ok, or are you just saying that while you regroup and prepare for another round of this?
 
How on earth will porn change someone's sexuality?
Paraphilias can be brought out and habituated through regular exposure. I doubt porn will turn a straight dude gay, but if the thesis is that sex is for hetero reproduction, then obviously anything that habituates one to other non-reproductive sex acts runs counter to the thesis.
 
Apparently, acbytesla lied.
I would argue that watching porn has no relationship to being or not being a feminist. Women watch porn. It's not just men. There is lots of porn that specifically cater to women. Now individually, it might not do anything for you. But even that is a generalization. You may have not found the right pornography for you. People, not women, not men, like what they like. I think it's also important to understand that our tastes change. What did it for you before is boring today. And things you couldn't imagine being interested in when you're younger now are delicious.
 
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It seems that one of Poem's unstated presumptions is that sexual orientation is merely a matter of taste, and can change as easily as discovering a new paraphilia (oh! I DO get interested reading about x doing y when it's written like THIS!) or which vegetables one finds yummy (oh! ROASTED sprouts with olive oil & salt are LOVELY!).

ETA: I would propose that changing one's basic sexual orientation is bigger than a mere matter of taste. Maybe a really insurmountable change of taste? Like... it only takes a really good song for me to like a banger that's not in my usual genre, but I don't think I could even be professionally conditioned into liking free jazz.
 
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Catsmate is correct. What was presented by acbytesla was an opinion, not evidence.
Although, I did present an anecdote about getting to like brussels sprouts.
Brussels sprouts have changed significantly is taste over the last decades......
 
And the excuses continue - excuses for a industry that spams anything-goes porn to kids.
 

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