P.J. Denyer
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The behaviour of UK police officers.
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Perhaps James Cleverly would like to comment?
Some sort of march/protest is underway in Glasgow. Girl (political persuasion irrelevant here) thinks it's OK to assault, fairly minorly I have to say, a member of the public who is filming it. It's caught on camera.
Victim and a few others report it to attending police officers, identifying the girl and pointing out they have footage of the incident.
Turns out the police think it's OK and respond, "go away".
It's the small stuff that builds resentment.
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Victim and a few others report it to attending police officers, identifying the girl and pointing out they have footage of the incident.
Turns out the police think it's OK and respond, "go away".
It's the small stuff that builds resentment.
7.2K views · 80 reactions | The first piece of violence in Glasgow came from a leftist. The officers response is why respect and trust has gone for the police. | My Dug Albie
The first piece of violence in Glasgow came from a leftist. The officers response is why respect and trust has gone for the police.
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He will have gone through the options, explained each one and I am sure option 1 appeared to be the best option, which a solicitor would recommend. That is not bad advice.
smartcooky
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We'll have to agree to disagree.
Wudang
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Sorry but can you give a timestamp for the violence. It might be me.Some sort of march/protest is underway in Glasgow. Girl (political persuasion irrelevant here) thinks it's OK to assault, fairly minorly I have to say, a member of the public who is filming it. It's caught on camera.
Victim and a few others report it to attending police officers, identifying the girl and pointing out they have footage of the incident.
Turns out the police think it's OK and respond, "go away".
It's the small stuff that builds resentment.
7.2K views · 80 reactions | The first piece of violence in Glasgow came from a leftist. The officers response is why respect and trust has gone for the police. | My Dug Albie
The first piece of violence in Glasgow came from a leftist. The officers response is why respect and trust has gone for the police.
Wudang
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A good few years back I was in a pub in a rough part of Paisley when a couple of Chinese guys came in. A lad in denim started talking to them. Next thing the barman has grabbed him and is trying to get him out as fast as possible. The lad yells “You can’t touch me, I’m National Front “. The bar erupts as nearly every guy there decided this lad was a good kicking under par.Some sort of march/protest is underway in Glasgow. Girl (political persuasion irrelevant here) thinks it's OK to assault, fairly minorly I have to say, a member of the public who is filming it. It's caught on camera.
Victim and a few others report it to attending police officers, identifying the girl and pointing out they have footage of the incident.
Turns out the police think it's OK and respond, "go away".
It's the small stuff that builds resentment.
7.2K views · 80 reactions | The first piece of violence in Glasgow came from a leftist. The officers response is why respect and trust has gone for the police. | My Dug Albie
The first piece of violence in Glasgow came from a leftist. The officers response is why respect and trust has gone for the police.
What I’m saying is, if cops are shepherding Nazis through Glasgow they’re maybe a wee bit more concerned about a major incident kicking off and minor things can be ignored. I would not want to be a cop trying to guarantee nazi safety in Glasgow.
What's supposed to have happened? The camera seems to have missed the actual incidents.Some sort of march/protest is underway in Glasgow. Girl (political persuasion irrelevant here) thinks it's OK to assault, fairly minorly I have to say, a member of the public who is filming it. It's caught on camera.
Victim and a few others report it to attending police officers, identifying the girl and pointing out they have footage of the incident.
Turns out the police think it's OK and respond, "go away".
It's the small stuff that builds resentment.
7.2K views · 80 reactions | The first piece of violence in Glasgow came from a leftist. The officers response is why respect and trust has gone for the police. | My Dug Albie
The first piece of violence in Glasgow came from a leftist. The officers response is why respect and trust has gone for the police.
I'm not entirely sure what the purpose of the march is. From the very little I've seen it looked peaceful enough, I'll have to do a bit more research though Your use of the word nazi to describe the participants tells me that you don't agree with them. That's okay, I understand you. I do find the term 'nazi' incredibly hyperbolic and somewhat incendiary. The kind of thing that might just spark off trouble Anyway....noted.
The girl walked off without so much as a stern word. The cop completely failed to do his job.
That's the kind of one sided behaviour that might spark off a 'major incident '.
You'll have to admit that Nazis, and that's the description you chose, are not known historically for tolerance.
Wudang
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I saw a bunch of guys all in black with hoods up which seems to be the far right outfit of choice these days.
Nazi is a convenient short for far right.
Glaswegians are not noted for their tolerance of fascists. There’s a reason it has the La Pasionara statue.
Nazi is a convenient short for far right.
Glaswegians are not noted for their tolerance of fascists. There’s a reason it has the La Pasionara statue.
The politics of those for and against the march are irrelevant as I've said more than once in my OP.
The opinions of us herein, about the politics of those featured is irrelevant. This thread is about police behaviour.
Calling everyone on the political right a “Nazi” is a lazy description that shuts down debate, as you have almost done by bringing It into the conversation as a reason the police can ignore certain behaviour from certain sections of the community.
It trivialises the horrors of genuine Nazism and turns a serious historical term into little more than a political insult.
Let's stick to the police here, there's plenty to go on!
The opinions of us herein, about the politics of those featured is irrelevant. This thread is about police behaviour.
Calling everyone on the political right a “Nazi” is a lazy description that shuts down debate, as you have almost done by bringing It into the conversation as a reason the police can ignore certain behaviour from certain sections of the community.
It trivialises the horrors of genuine Nazism and turns a serious historical term into little more than a political insult.
Let's stick to the police here, there's plenty to go on!
Wudang
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There’s 2 of us now at least still unable to see any act requiring police action. Can you give us a timestamp please?
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Northumbria Police detective sacked for misconduct
DS Christopher Hogg was dismissed without notice following a Northumbria Police misconduct hearing which found attempts to cover up his actions amounted to gross misconduct.
The hearing found Hogg altered a police document about a person C to say: "no consent was given and therefore no search was carried out."..
The original entry said consent would have been given if a search was needed, but none took place because "it was not necessary and there was insufficient time".
Hogg changed the document without speaking to either officer involved or checking the relevant intelligence submission...
He told a former junior constable he changed the entry because it was "shoddy work" and he wanted to "avoid scrutiny".
The panel found Hogg instructed the junior officer, 'either expressly or implicitly', to change intelligence records to match the altered document...
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DS Christopher Hogg was dismissed without notice following a Northumbria Police misconduct hearing which found attempts to cover up his actions amounted to gross misconduct.
The hearing found Hogg altered a police document about a person C to say: "no consent was given and therefore no search was carried out."..
The original entry said consent would have been given if a search was needed, but none took place because "it was not necessary and there was insufficient time".
Hogg changed the document without speaking to either officer involved or checking the relevant intelligence submission...
He told a former junior constable he changed the entry because it was "shoddy work" and he wanted to "avoid scrutiny".
The panel found Hogg instructed the junior officer, 'either expressly or implicitly', to change intelligence records to match the altered document...
North East detective sacked for altering police records and pressuring junior officer
A Northumbria Police detective has been sacked after he was found to have lied and altered police intelligence records to cover his own back.
www.thenorthernecho.co.uk
In Glasgow that description would fit with 'Ultras', the more extreme end of football fans. The group that marches in black, often with black face masks, but usually berets rather than hoodies are the Fenians. Certainly there are elements within the ultras which would be a good fit for anti-immigrant groups. The use of blue smoke at the recent 'Unite the Clans' march may reflect rngers ultras involvement though it may just represent the colour of the saltire.
Police make 15 arrests at Glasgow protest
Police intervened as hundreds of activists gathered on Glasgow Green on Saturday.
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I think you have a bit of a naive view about modern Glasgow which has a large population of asylum seekers. Violence has been rising e.g. a recent arson attack on a building thought to be intended to house asylum seekers. Anti-immigrant protestsers wouldn't be seen as necessarily Nazi. There is certainly a strong thread amongst independence supporters (generally on the left in Scotland) that Scotland should be for the Scottish, they are not racist in as much as they would want to remove white English settlers as much as other ethnic groups.
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Wudang
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Granted. It’s been quite a few years since I last visited Glasgow or the Clyde area at all.
I did say very clearly that it was a "fairly minor" assault. So bear that in mind.
Start at around 17 sec's
I've got a good idea where you and zoot are going with this, since the assault can clearly be parsed in video. That you have to do a teeny weeny bit of work to do so is giving you the opportunity to question the assault and maybe frame it as nothing to be concerned about. We'll see.
Here is the girl approaching the man/nazi/auditor with the camera. He's not looking at or engaging her.
Here she moves towards him. It as clear as day she has targeted him. He is still not engaging her in way.
You now have to do a very little bit of detective work and join the dots. The actual assault is blocked form view by a passer-by but we can clearly deduce that the girl has assaulted the man to the extent that his camera/phone has been knocked from it's cradle.
She's called out on it by the individual filming, I cannot work out what she is saying (I think she is foreign) but it's clear that, from that point, she's looking to get away.
It's going to be a real stretch if either you were to come back and state that no assault took place, that she didn't touch him or spit or throw something on him. She did something to his person, for sure. We just cannot see what.
I have inkling, and that's all it is at this point, that you are both choosing to ignore this because it looks like the victim is a person who, dare I say it, doesn't fit into your idea of a reasonable individual who should expect the protection, under the laws of this country. The laws that every not auditor and not nazi enjoys.
The victim is either, to zoot, an auditor or to use your word Wudang, a nazi. One or both of you might deny this accusation and that's fine.
To me he is possibly either or both of them or just an everyday punter. I don't care which category he falls into, I'm here with my bias to show the poor behaviour of the police. There! I happily admit my bias, it should not be news.
My bias, if acted upon, would improve policing. Your biases, if I'm correct, will allow police to carry on ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ Joe Public in the arse and generally not giving a ◊◊◊◊ about applying the laws they are tasked with policing.
Now, zoot is on record as to not really caring too much about what happens to auditors. I won't say he would condone violence but I would happily state that a little minor assault is on the menu, for them, in his opinion. After all, they bring it on themselves seems to be his line of thinking. I can't say for sure but, reading between the lines of his previous posts about auditors, that is what comes through.
Yourself Wudang, I'm reading a dislike for political opponents of yours. I'm also getting, from you, that they should suck up what happens to them if they are on a march or protest because, I guess, they are "nazis" and assaults on "nazis" by "not nazis" should be tolerated for the greater good of the general population local to the march.
Let's round this off with a quick look at what constitutes assault in the UK and, in particualr, this type of assault.
"Battery (Assault by Beating): The actual intentional or reckless application of unlawful force to another person, no matter how minor (e.g., a push, slap, or throwing a drink)."
You'll notice the highlighted and I'm sorry if it's inconvenient for any one. What you've watched was a Battery. I don't make the laws in this country.
When the police officer is informed an assault has just occurred he responds, "Ah did'ne [unintelligable] so ah dunno". What he doesn't say is "Tell me more?", or "who was assaulted?", or "wait there just a moment miss till I can clear this up".
He say nothin of the sort, after an awkward moment, he says, dismissively "go away".
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As you admit, we cannot clearly see what happened, and we cannot clearly see what happened before that, which appeared to lead to the girl picking up what looks like her own phone. You say we can join the dots, but that is speculation, and if she was guilty of an assault, it seems just as likely that she was assaulted first. But we cannot tell from this video.
Legally, you may well be right that it's assault. However, I can understand why the officer who is policing the march doesn't see anything worth spending time on.
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A police officer who lied to his supervisor about taking time off for a dentist appointment and emailed sensitive information to his personal email has been demoted.
Following a hearing at Dorset Police headquarters in Winfrith on Tuesday, Det Seg William Pearce was found to have committed gross misconduct.
Hearing chair Assistant Chief Constable Mark Callaghan said Pearce, who had continued to perform within the role, was "respected and trusted" and demotion had been "the most suitable outcome".
The hearing heard he had emailed "a highly sensitive and confidential document to his personal email address".
The force said that "whilst this was for a policing purpose, it was wholly inappropriate".
He also lied to his supervisor by taking time off for a dentist appointment he never attended in April 2025.
Another allegation related to him "repeatedly taking unauthorised absences from work, commuting during working hours and completing the school run when not authorised to do so".
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Following a hearing at Dorset Police headquarters in Winfrith on Tuesday, Det Seg William Pearce was found to have committed gross misconduct.
Hearing chair Assistant Chief Constable Mark Callaghan said Pearce, who had continued to perform within the role, was "respected and trusted" and demotion had been "the most suitable outcome".
The hearing heard he had emailed "a highly sensitive and confidential document to his personal email address".
The force said that "whilst this was for a policing purpose, it was wholly inappropriate".
He also lied to his supervisor by taking time off for a dentist appointment he never attended in April 2025.
Another allegation related to him "repeatedly taking unauthorised absences from work, commuting during working hours and completing the school run when not authorised to do so".
Dorset detective sergeant demoted for dental appointment lie
William Pearce was also found to have emailed sensitive information to his personal email.
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He is nowhere near her when she drops her phone, you can see her dropping her phone in the video (00:09). She is abusing him from a good 10 feet away and drops her phone.
We can hear shouting at the start which causes lazy plod to twice (I think) look over his shoulder before deciding not to see anything. Why would you assume that something might have happened that meant he "earned" the assault.
Can you elaborate, based on what we can see, on how you arrived at, "it seems just as likely that she was assaulted first."?
I called this response when I wrote - "I've got a good idea where you and zoot are going with this." It's verging on Pyrrhonism.
It is assault, I went to great pains to show you how..
I'm happy to go along with not being worth spending a lot of time on. How about, though, spending a little time, even if it's just to have quick word with the lassie?
"Go away", is not the kind of response I would expect.
Sure, it's not the most heinous example of police behaviour but it shows the utter disdain that the police have for the public. Little by little, eroding public trust and earning the hate.
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smartcooky
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Looks no worse than Sauchiehall Street on a Saturday after Rangers v Celtic...
Nessie
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In Glasgow that description would fit with 'Ultras', the more extreme end of football fans. The group that marches in black, often with black face masks, but usually berets rather than hoodies are the Fenians. Certainly there are elements within the ultras which would be a good fit for anti-immigrant groups. The use of blue smoke at the recent 'Unite the Clans' march may reflect rngers ultras involvement though it may just represent the colour of the saltire.
Police make 15 arrests at Glasgow protest
Police intervened as hundreds of activists gathered on Glasgow Green on Saturday.
I think you have a bit of a naive view about modern Glasgow which has a large population of asylum seekers. Violence has been rising e.g. a recent arson attack on a building thought to be intended to house asylum seekers. Anti-immigrant protestsers wouldn't be seen as necessarily Nazi. There is certainly a strong thread amongst independence supporters (generally on the left in Scotland) that Scotland should be for the Scottish, they are not racist in as much as they would want to remove white English settlers as much as other ethnic groups.
Fifteen arrested after violence breaks out at anti-migrant protest in Glasgow
Police pledge to make further arrests after scores of anti-migrant protesters were seen running towards an anti-fascist group.
Asylum hotels have become a source of “right-wing intimidation and violence", a Glasgow MP has warned amid a recent influx of anti-immigration protests in the city.
Glasgow MP warns asylum hotels are fuelling intimidation and violence
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A damning report written by MPs revealed that the SNP-led city has a total of 4,103 bed spaces from a capacity of 6,735 available bed spaces in Glasgow ring-fenced for migrantswww.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk
A friend worked in Glasgow's Social Work, dealing with the first wave of migrants Glasgow housed, back in around 2008. They conducted a survey after a few months to ask the migrants how they felt about all the organisations they had dealt with. The police came out number 1, to many people's surprise. The reasons why were most migrants were not used to a police who were not politicised and an arm of the government and when they made a complaint about the local neds, the police would take action and arrest the neds. That made the migrants feel safe.