• Security incident: ISF was recently accessed by intruders. Please change your password, and change it anywhere else you used it. Read more

Merged Concerns over baby killer ignored? / Nurse Lucy Letby killed babies in her care

You think she did these things deliberately, intending to kill the children?
It is impossible for me to know what her intent was. If she intended to kill the children that was murder, if she intended to harm the children but not kill them then it would be manslaughter.

I suspect, but cannot know, that her intent was to create a crisis, not to kill the children. She acted with casual disregard for the harm and distress caused to the parents, the infants, other members of staff.

In other instances, the nurse clearly intended to kill people because they were at the end of their lives, because they were troublesome. I think she was addicted to the excitement of a crisis. The deaths of the children was an unfortunate consequence, not the intent.

I don't have any problems with her being in prison, whether I think this was technically manslaughter or murder is essentially irrelevant, she committed criminal acts resulting in death.
 
It is impossible for me to know what her intent was. If she intended to kill the children that was murder, if she intended to harm the children but not kill them then it would be manslaughter.
It can still be murder if there was intent to cause GBH, without intent to kill:
Subject to three exceptions (which constitute partial defences to murder, and result in a conviction for manslaughter) the crime of murder is committed, where a person:

  • of sound mind and discretion (sane)
  • unlawfully kills (not self-defence or other justified killing)
  • any reasonable creature (a human being)
  • in being (born alive and breathing through its own lungs)
  • under the King's Peace (not in wartime)
  • with intent to kill or cause grievous bodily harm (in contrast to the offence of attempted murder, where only intent to kill will suffice)

 
An interesting comment by a currently practicing neonatologist with forensic experience.
Dr Svilena Dimitrova
@NeoDoc11
4 Aug 2025

Lucy Letby is not innocent because her friends say she’s incapable of murder - she is innocent because the evidence shows she did not do anything wrong. There is ZERO evidence that the babies were harmed deliberately. Their deteriorations and failed resuscitations were entirely explainable by pre-existing conditions and shockingly poor standards of care.The prosecution’s case rested on the opinions of a single man with no relevant or recent neonatal experience - a self-promoting “expert” witness who claimed to have “only ever lost one case” and advanced bizarre implausible theories which brought him a generous income. Crucial evidence of systemic failings and negligent care was ignored. Several clinicians involved have since been referred to the GMC, the police, and the coroner’s court for actions or failures that may constitute gross negligence manslaughter, contempt of court, and perjury. This is NEW evidence.While experts may disagree on the specific causes of each deterioration or failed resuscitation, the public fail to understand how this is completely normal in complex medical cases (hence the concept of multiple differential diagnoses 🙄🙄) - there is clear unanimous agreement on two core aspects of the case - the standard of care these babies received was appalling. And no murders occurred.The now-infamous “post-it note” evidence was misinterpreted and used manipulatively - a deeply flawed tactic that has been heavily precedented in other “caregiver” miscarriages of justice.The “statistics” presented to the jury were laughably biased. The data was cherry picked to suit a narrative by doctors who could well have been struck off for incompetence or arrested for gross negligence manslaughter. Police refused to investigate any cause of death other than murder. Parents were misled and gaslit into believing their babies were deliberately harmed - long before the case even went to court.Judge Goss allowed this miscarriage to unfold despite warnings. He allowed the doctors who were witnesses of fact to be treated as experts and thus to mark their own substandard work as excellent in front of a jury of lay people. Media coverage was biased, sensationalist and instrumental in stoking a public witch hunt.Whistleblowers stayed silent for fear of being scapegoated. Others were actively ignored by Cheshire police and LJ Thirlwall. The legal profession oversaw a trial with no defence witnesses that was so one-sided it defied basic principles of logic, never mind justice.This case is a national disgrace. It should shame the British legal system and the NHS and turn both into a global laughingstock.
 
An interesting comment by a currently practicing neonatologist with forensic experience.
Dr Svilena Dimitrova
@NeoDoc11
4 Aug 2025
The two doctors who made the original allegations and provided the "statistics" were the two doctors who had been heavily censured for making false allegations against Ms Letby which lead to a fitness to practice case against her which was fully dismissed once it was found they were lying.

The two docots had the motive, the means and a pattern of similar behaviour to lie again.
 
Both the CCRC and the SCCRC seem to believe that their mission is to block the route to the appeal courts by any means in their power.
 
It is worrying that Professor Peter Hindmarsh the paediatric endocrinologist who was the expert witness in relation to the insulin overdose deaths, had been sacked / forced to resign from GOS and UCH and was under investigation by the GMC at the time of the trial, these facts weren't allowed to be presented to the jury. He voluntarily withdrew his registration so the GMC investigation stopped. At the time of the enquiry his only income was from acting as an expert witness.
 
Head's up; Thirlwall Report to be published 15th September 2026.


27 August 2026

The Thirlwall Inquiry Report will be published on 15 September 2026 in Liverpool.  

The day of publication will start with an opportunity for Inquiry participants to view the report in advance of publication, in accordance with Rule 17 of the Inquiry Rules 2006.  This will be followed by Lady Justice Thirlwall’s remarks when the Report is published, which will be streamed live over YouTube. 
 
Gives hope to all the middle-aged guys hoping for a blow job, if only they could be her rescuer.
Vixen, these are pathetic insinuations that say a lot more about you than about anyone concerned about the conviction. Should we start making up fantasies about what you want Dewi Evans to do to you? Would you like that?
 

ISF - Join now!

Every member here is approved by hand. No bots, no spam, just people who care about evidence and honest debate.

Membership is free!

Create your free account

Back
Top Bottom