Merged Arday life and death

[smartcooky]

Being a braggart or 'giving it large' is not actually a criminal offence. It is immoral but hardly cause to run a character assassination campaign. Had Arday actually committed a criminal offence, he'd be protected by libel and subjudice laws until such time he was convicted.

Why did Harris of Plymouth start fine-tooth combing through Arday's theses in the first place, and then get in touch with Groves? I dare say Groves felt he had a great story and felt vindictive because Arday called the police on him and got Carter-Ruck (who deal with libel) to send a desist letter to the TIMES. There is nothing unreasonable about that; this was Arday's entire livelihood, career and identity at stake. Groves, feeling no doubt vindictive about the police warning, went ahead anyway but then there was an astonishing two-week pile on with all of the mainstream UK press joining in. It was the sort of character assassination that used to be dished out to rapists and murderers. All over some minor professor nobody but a small handful had even heard of.

Irrelevant bollocks.

Answer the bloody questions (or have you done quick Google and found you were wrong, but don't have the courage to admit it.

 

[theprestige]

Once at the border at Niagara Falls and the other occasion in Tennessee, via North Carolina Airport. Touched on a shopping mall in Alabama.

That's even cringier than I expected.

 

[Vixen]

I don't believe quite a lot of what he said happened to him. Editing that down to "his leg swelled" is not exactly steel-manning my position.

The guy came from a deprived area, had a deficient education, had a Global Child Development diagnosis aged three, which suggests his parents were worried he wasn't speaking. He claims he was diagnosed with Aspergers (now called Autistic Spectrum Syndrome) and has dyslexia. He claims his autistic traits leads him to mimic others and the dyslexia was the cause of his not citing the other thesis properly (but she was credited in the bibliography). He also says he fell due to epilepsy during - I believe - day 19 of the 35-day marathon. A colleague in a supervisory role at Twickenham upholds that she once witnessed him have a seizure in her office. Epilepsy was once called the 'falling sickness' because it can make sufferers fall. So not such an implausible story, especially as that cluster of symptoms in children is not at all uncommon or 'fabulist'.

 

[ahhell]

To be fair, if you believe how most of the media portrays the US, you will probably believe what Vixen said about folks sticking to their own and that the US is a dystopia of racist segregation.

ETA: Sure that cluster of symptoms maybe common, that cluster of symptoms and running 30 marathons in 35 days, and relearning your a PhD thesis in weeks after cancer surgery and a mini-stroke, and........

That sounds pretty extraordinary.

 

[Vixen]

And you think this makes you an expert on the US? No wonder you think Arday is qualified.

Of course not. I have read up on US history and sociological relations, which does involve millions of immigrants from all over the world, not to mention legalised slavery.

 

[Ziggurat]

The guy came from a deprived area, had a deficient education, had a Global Child Development diagnosis aged three, which suggests his parents were worried he wasn't speaking. He claims he was diagnosed with Aspergers (now called Autistic Spectrum Syndrome) and has dyslexia. He claims his autistic traits leads him to mimic others and the dyslexia was the cause of his not citing the other thesis properly (but she was credited in the bibliography). He also says he fell due to epilepsy during - I believe - day 19 of the 35-day marathon. A colleague in a supervisory role at Twickenham upholds that she once witnessed him have a seizure in her office. Epilepsy was once called the 'falling sickness' because it can make sufferers fall. So not such an implausible story, especially as that cluster of symptoms in children is not at all uncommon or 'fabulist'.

There is no independent evidence of any of these supposed childhood diagnoses.

 

[Ziggurat]

Of course not. I have read up on US history and sociological relations, which does involve millions of immigrants from all over the world, not to mention legalised slavery.

Then you have no excuse. You should know your categorization is false.

Or maybe your sources are on the same level of scholarship as Arday.

 

[Elaedith]

The guy came from a deprived area, had a deficient education, had a Global Child Development diagnosis aged three, which suggests his parents were worried he wasn't speaking. He claims he was diagnosed with Aspergers (now called Autistic Spectrum Syndrome) and has dyslexia. He claims his autistic traits leads him to mimic others and the dyslexia was the cause of his not citing the other thesis properly (but she was credited in the bibliography). He also says he fell due to epilepsy during - I believe - day 19 of the 35-day marathon. A colleague in a supervisory role at Twickenham upholds that she once witnessed him have a seizure in her office. Epilepsy was once called the 'falling sickness' because it can make sufferers fall. So not such an implausible story, especially as that cluster of symptoms in children is not at all uncommon or 'fabulist'.

The diagnosis of global developmental delay did not exist when he was aged three. It was introduced to the DSM in 2013. It is not possible for a child to have both global developmental delay and Aspergers; aside from the fact that the two diagnoses never existed concurrently in the same version of the DSM, Aspergers was specifically a diagnosis that involves no significant language deficits or cognitive delays.

 

[Vixen]

There is no independent evidence of any of these supposed childhood diagnoses.

If you, Harris, Cofnas and Groves have no access to Arday's medical records, how do you know it is untrue? As a neurodivergent person, the media pile on might well have driven him right over the edge simply because he was a vulnerable individual who should have been treated with better respect.

 

[Matthew Best]

You're begging the question.

 

[Ziggurat]

If you, Harris, Cofnas and Groves have no access to Arday's medical records, how do you know it is untrue?

I don't know that it's untrue, and I didn't claim it was. But you did claim it was true, and you don't know that either. You're the one making claims you can't back up, not me.

As a neurodivergent person, the meida pile on might well have driven him right over the edge simply because he was a vulnerable individual who should have been treated with better respect.

If he was that vulnerable, then why was he put in such a public position to begin with? You can't have it both ways.

 

[Vixen]

The diagnosis of global developmental delay did not exist when he was aged three. It was introduced to the DSM in 2013. It is not possible for a child to have both global developmental delay and Aspergers; aside from the fact that the two diagnoses never existed concurrently in the same version of the DSM, Aspergers was specifically a diagnosis that involves no significant language deficits or cognitive delays.

Those diagnoses would have been passed down to him by his parents. Arday could well have self-diagnosed in retrospect based on their description passed down from parent to child. You can't know he lied about being autistic or having epilepsy. Or that he was in a car crash coma once. I know someone who was diagnosed with autism well into his forties but he likely had it all his life (and he was very angry with his parents for not realising it).

 

[Vixen]

I don't know that it's untrue, and I didn't claim it was. But you did claim it was true, and you don't know that either. You're the one making claims you can't back up, not me.

If he was that vulnerable, then why was he put in such a public position to begin with? You can't have it both ways.

No, he was not a public figure, unlike Caroline Flack who was subjected to a similar press pile on. Dr. David Kelly, whilst being a government advisor, was not a public figure as an elected MP or an actor (as Flack was). His close friend invformed the police Arday was very vulnerable and the police warned off Groves, who should have taken the warning more seriously instead of taking it as an affront.

 

[Ziggurat]

Those diagnoses would have been passed down to him by his parents.

If they are real.

Arday could well have self-diagnosed in retrospect based on their description passed down from parent to child.

He claimed he was diagnosed as a child, so if he self-diagnosed, then he lied.

You can't know he lied about being autistic or having epilepsy.

And you can't know he's telling the truth. Yet you claim to.

 

[Ziggurat]

No, he was not a public figure

When you're publishing a memoir (which included a planned publicity tour), you absolutely are a public figure. By choice.

 

[Vixen]

If they are real.

He claimed he was diagnosed as a child, so if he self-diagnosed, then he lied.

And you can't know he's telling the truth. Yet you claim to.

In the UK the standard is, innocent until proven guilty. Who cares if Groves and Cofnas don't believe he ran all those marathons.

 

[Ziggurat]

In the UK the standard is, innocent until proven guilty.

That's for crimes. Nobody is under any obligation to just accept anyone's claims until they're disproven.

Who cares if Groves and Cofnas don't believe he ran all those marathons.

The marathons are the least of it. Nor are they the claim that I pointed out you had no evidence to support.

 

[smartcooky]

Or maybe your sources are on the same level of scholarship as Arday.

Oooh. Ouch!

 

[smartcooky]

That's for crimes. Nobody is under any obligation to just accept anyone's claims until they're disproven.

The marathons are the least of it. Nor are they the claim that I pointed out you had no evidence to support.

Indeed.

What matters are the many dozens of passages copied from someone else's thesis, many of them were obvious copy/paste because the same spelling and grammar mistakes were copied over in the same places. I don't buy his claim that it was all a mistake. You don't copy dozens of passages and forget to attribute ALL of them. He also failed to attribute work from several others' academic papers aside from his plagiarism of Paula Zwozdiak-Myers' thesis. That is nailed-on academic fraud.

In my experience, people who cheat tend to also be liars, and Arday was a fantasist and serial liar of epic proportions!! Give that fact, there is no reason to believe anything he claims about his upbringing. Investigations and journalistic scrutiny have found a profound lack of supporting evidence for his claims about his childhood, with many of his central assertions being directly contradicted by witnesses.

On his clain that he was "non-verbal until 11, several childhood peers and next-door neighbours came forward stating they spoke with him regularly during those years. A childhood neighbour who lived next to him for 24 years said he "spoke all the time," while schoolmates recalled him being quiet but definitely not mute.

On his claim that we was illiterate until he was 18, skeptics and media ask how he could have complete a secondary school education without literacy.

 

[Steve]

Irrelevant bollocks.

Answer the bloody questions (or have you done quick Google and found you were wrong, but don't have the courage to admit it.

Welcome to the bulk of Vixen's posts, on every topic on this forum.