Apollo 11 Moon Landing Revisited: Hoax ~vs~ Debunk

[wollery]

@Vixen, please complete this sentence:

"A non-geopositioned satellite is a satellite that ___________________________________."

Also, @Vixen, please complete this sentence:

"The Telstar satellite was required for TV broadcast in 1962 because ______________________."

 

[threadworm]

The early Explorer satellites from 1963 onwards? Surely NASA took the precaution of looking at where they planned to send people?

No. Not Explorer. Try again.

 

[Vixen]

According to Mensa:


@Vixen says (see above) the test she took was not Cattell III. According to Mensa, the only other IQ test she could have taken in the UK or Ireland to qualify for Mensa was the Cattell Culture Fair III A (CFIQ). I have cited two sources that say the highest possible score on the CFIQ test is 152.

Conclusion: At least one of these statements must be true:

• @Vixen has not qualified for Mensa.
• Both of my sources are wrong about the highest possible score for the CFIQ test.
• The two scores for which @Vixen has provided piss-poor photographic plausibility had nothing to do with qualifying for Mensa.
• In the years since @Vixen took an IQ test that Mensa accepted, Mensa has changed its policy regarding which tests it uses and accepts.
• @Vixen qualified for Mensa by taking a test at some location outside the UK or Ireland.

With regard to the last two bullet points:


That web page lists the tests accepted by American Mensa. The accepted tests (and the corresponding qualifying scores) include:

• ACT Composite, if taken prior to 9/1989 (29)
• SAT composite (verbal + quant), if taken prior to 9/30/1974 (1300)
• SAT composite (verbal + quant), if taken from 9/30/1974 to 1/31/1994 (1250)
• GRE composite (verbal + quant), if taken prior to 5/1994 (1250)
• GRE composite (verbal + quant + analytical), if taken from 5/1994 to 9/30/2001 (1875)

American Mensa does not accept recent ACT, SAT, or GRE scores, because those tests were changed to place more emphasis upon achievement/knowledge rather than whatever the hell it is that IQ tests are supposed to measure, thereby reducing the correlation between scores on those tests and scores on IQ tests.

I mention the ACT, SAT, and GRE tests partly because I and most of my contemporaries took at least one of those tests during the 1970s, and some of us discussed our scores in the course of conversations about universities we might hope to attend, so I have some idea of what those scores mean. As I have learned from this thread, almost all of those with whom I discussed such test scores would qualify for Mensa.

More importantly: As a frequent member (and occasional chair) of admissions committees, I had a professional responsibility to understand what those scores meant, and to keep track of how the meaning of those scores changed over time.

Here's a little-known factoid about the GRE: Back in the 1970s, there was a version of the GRE quantitative tests that turned out to be so difficult that a few scores of 820 were reported, as opposed to the usual maximum of 800. That made it possible to score 1620 on that particular version of the GRE.

No, it wasn't Cattell Culture Fair. As I said the docs refer to two different tests all together and different social clubs.

 

[JayUtah]

No, it wasn't Cattell Culture Fair. As I said the docs refer to two different tests all together and different social clubs.

We're not interested in what the tests weren't. Please tell us what test(s) you took, whose scores are given on the pictures you posted.

 

[Steve]

We're not interested in what the tests weren't. Please tell us what test(s) you took, whose scores are given on the pictures you posted.

This should be good for 5 more pages of waffling and information free posts.

 

[Reformed Offlian]

We're not interested in what the tests weren't. Please tell us what test(s) you took, whose scores are given on the pictures you posted.

I hear that you can measure your IQ accurately with a sextant and a stick set to GMT. But you have to be stranded on an island with somebody for it to work.

 

[Axxman300]

Wasn't Buzz Alrdrin an alcoholic and had a nervous breakdown?

Yes, but he never claimed anything silly was true. His mother dealt with depression all of her life, and committed suicide a year before he walked on the moon. He always felt that the pressure of press attention for her son being an astronaut was the main cause. In spite of all that, he was never a moron.

And Armstrong a recluse?

Not really. As we've explained multiple times, he never hid away. He taught physics, and was available to the press, and NASA. He simply chose not to capitalize on his place in history. He was a person of good personal morals, and ethics. The opposite of you.

It all means absolutely nothing one way or the other.

And yet you throw it out there as the troll you are.

You can be the nicest person in the world yet have been taken for a monkey's uncle by Nixon.

Look, we get it, you're attracted to Nixon. Here's the thing, HE COULDN'T KEEP WATERGATE SECRET, A CONSPIRACY INVOLVING 14 MEN. Do you have any idea how stupid you have to be to think that Nixon could fake the moon landings, and keep it secret for even a week, let alone 57 years? A project he no control over. A project that was already paid for.

Isn't that a syllogistic logical fallacy? The kind that runs, "Homer was a man, therefore, all men are Homer"?

No. Add philosophy to the list of things you're bad at. It is a declaration of fact, example: The RMS Titanic was real. There is nothing to debate, this is a fact. What you are arguing is along the lines of, "The Titanic Never Existed", and from there a tale of elaborate insurance fraud is woven between White Star and Harlan & Wolff. Those images of the Titanic wreck? Fake. A model filmed on a Pinewood soundstage. I mean it's awful convenient the ship is sunk at great depth. It's obvious to the "trained eye" that the OceanGate Titan was sabotaged by agents working for Cunard to keep the secret.

See how dumb you sound?

 

[LDE1976]

In some cases, an entire Pickett's Charge of errors have done this.

In fairness, Cemetery Ridge does have a pretty formidable Hill sphere.

 

[steenkh]

Vixen, we know the reasons given for faking Apollo 11

Usually some combination of Kennedy promised America would land a man on the Moon before the decade was out, and we had to beat the Soviet Union in the Space Race.

Apollo 11 did that.
Kennedy’s promise of the Moon being reached before the end of the decade, Soviets beaten, America won, mission accomplished.
So why would the people running the hoax decide to do it again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again?

Apollo 12 through Apollo 20, nine more missions were planned after Apollo 11.

They supposedly pulled off Apollo 11 perfectly, then faked Apollo 12.
Then, apparently for extra realism, faked the near catastrophic failure of Apollo 13.
Then faked Apollo 14, 15, 16 and 17.
Five more successful Moon landings and one spectacular failed attempt.

And they originally planned Apollo 18, 19 and 20 too, before those missions were canceled and the hardware used for other things.

Surely once you’ve successfully pulled off the deception and achieved everything you wanted, you don’t voluntarily repeat it nine more times, giving thousands of additional people, broadcasts, photographs, recordings, tracking stations, experiments, spacecraft, launches and recoveries nine more opportunities to expose you.

What possible objective remained that justified multiplying the risk of exposing the alleged hoax over and over and over again?

Actually, @Vixen has sort of hinted that Apollo 11 was faked, but the other missions were real …

 

[Vixen]

Yes, but he never claimed anything silly was true. His mother dealt with depression all of her life, and committed suicide a year before he walked on the moon. He always felt that the pressure of press attention for her son being an astronaut was the main cause. In spite of all that, he was never a moron.


Not really. As we've explained multiple times, he never hid away. He taught physics, and was available to the press, and NASA. He simply chose not to capitalize on his place in history. He was a person of good personal morals, and ethics. The opposite of you.


And yet you throw it out there as the troll you are.


Look, we get it, you're attracted to Nixon. Here's the thing, HE COULDN'T KEEP WATERGATE SECRET, A CONSPIRACY INVOLVING 14 MEN. Do you have any idea how stupid you have to be to think that Nixon could fake the moon landings, and keep it secret for even a week, let alone 57 years? A project he no control over. A project that was already paid for.

No. Add philosophy to the list of things you're bad at. It is a declaration of fact, example: The RMS Titanic was real. There is nothing to debate, this is a fact. What you are arguing is along the lines of, "The Titanic Never Existed", and from there a tale of elaborate insurance fraud is woven between White Star and Harlan & Wolff. Those images of the Titanic wreck? Fake. A model filmed on a Pinewood soundstage. I mean it's awful convenient the ship is sunk at great depth. It's obvious to the "trained eye" that the OceanGate Titan was sabotaged by agents working for Cunard to keep the secret.

See how dumb you sound?

I don't buy into the idea that anyone is all "buttercups and roses". Truth is, Buzz had a nasty side, too. Running into his bosses' offices berating them about their not selecting him as Commander instead of Armstrong. By all accounts he really kicked up a stink. Only took one lousy pic of Armstrong. Yeah, Hollywood loves him because he's the consummate actor.

 

[JayUtah]

I don't buy...

You're trying to argue personalities.

Your sources constantly misrepresent the historical facts and straight up lie about the relevant sciences. This ordinarily makes a source unreliable. Yet you claim they have reasonable points and are arguing in good faith. Reconcile that, please.

 

[threadworm]

I don't buy into the idea that anyone is all "buttercups and roses". Truth is, Buzz had a nasty side, too. Running into his bosses' offices berating them about their not selecting him as Commander instead of Armstrong. By all accounts he really kicked up a stink. Only took one lousy pic of Armstrong. Yeah, Hollywood loves him because he's the consummate actor.

Personality has nothing to do with it.

 

[wollery]

I don't buy into the idea that anyone is all "buttercups and roses". Truth is, Buzz had a nasty side, too. Running into his bosses' offices berating them about their not selecting him as Commander instead of Armstrong. By all accounts he really kicked up a stink. Only took one lousy pic of Armstrong. Yeah, Hollywood loves him because he's the consummate actor.

Yet “Dr.” David Groves, about whom you know precisely nothing other than his name appearing on a report, is apparently above reproach.

 

[JayUtah]

Actually, @Vixen has sort of hinted that Apollo 11 was faked, but the other missions were real …

Actually she has hinted at several incompatible claims, never holding onto any of them. This is how she approaches all her pet conspiracy theories. She seems to think that all she needs to do is come up with some reason not to believe the conventional narrative and therefore any of the alternatives are somehow automatically more credible.

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Actually, @Vixen has sort of hinted that Apollo 11 was faked, but the other missions were real …

Samples taken and returned by Apollo 11 were compared to later trips' samples taken and found to be match. Purdue got some.

 

[Axxman300]

I don't buy into the idea that anyone is all "buttercups and roses".

That's not what I said, but you are dumb, so...

Truth is, Buzz had a nasty side, too.

What? No? You mean Buzz is a human and not a reptillian?

Running into his bosses' offices berating them about their not selecting him as Commander instead of Armstrong. By all accounts he really kicked up a stink.

This is lie, stupid. Never happened. Armstrong was put in command via NASA's crew rotation, or to use smaller words you might understand, it was his turn. Buzz lobby to be the first out of the LM, but at the end of the day it was Armstrong because of the LM's hatch design. Buzz going out first was just not physically practical in that small space.

Only took one lousy pic of Armstrong

He took about 15 minutes of film of Armstrong on the lunar surface. He took one picture because there was no reason to waste film. This was the moon, not Disneyland.

 

[W.D.Clinger]

Samples taken and returned by Apollo 11 were compared to later trips' samples taken and found to be match. Purdue got some.

But, but, but, but Purdue is located within the state of Indiana, which is one of the states carried by Nixon in 1972!

If that isn't a smoking gun, then @Vixen doesn't know what is.

 

[Reformed Offlian]

I don't buy into the idea that anyone is all "buttercups and roses". Truth is, Buzz had a nasty side, too. Running into his bosses' offices berating them about their not selecting him as Commander instead of Armstrong. By all accounts he really kicked up a stink. Only took one lousy pic of Armstrong. Yeah, Hollywood loves him because he's the consummate actor.

But you totally don't care about personalities.

 

[Reformed Offlian]

He took about 15 minutes of film of Armstrong on the lunar surface. He took one picture because there was no reason to waste film. This was the moon, not Disneyland.

The DAC footage doesn't count. Because most CTers don't know about it.

 

[P.J. Denyer]

That's not what I said, but you are dumb, so...


What? No? You mean Buzz is a human and not a reptillian?


This is lie, stupid. Never happened. Armstrong was put in command via NASA's crew rotation, or to use smaller words you might understand, it was his turn. Buzz lobby to be the first out of the LM, but at the end of the day it was Armstrong because of the LM's hatch design. Buzz going out first was just not physically practical in that small space.

He took about 15 minutes of film of Armstrong on the lunar surface. He took one picture because there was no reason to waste film. This was the moon, not Disneyland.

Wait, is it currently suspicious that they did take photos of each other or they didn't? It seems to have flipped a couple of times.