Merged Arday life and death

[Vixen]

The more polarized politics gets, the more likely the opposition is going to tell you uncomfortable truths that your own faction would rather keep hidden for political reasons.

If you don't want to hear about Perfidious Oxbridge from the likes of Cofnas, then you're going to have to admit the perfidy yourself, and do something about it before Cofnas arrives.

But this can be hard to do, because Oxbridge is your political ally, and you don't want to undermine them, or reveal any truth that gives the opposition grounds to criticize your policy proposals.

If the people who are so righteously committed to DEI had watchdogged their own, and cracked down on Oxbridge's unhinged race-based hiring practices before they got so out of hand, Cofnas would never have had a story, and Arday would probably still be alive. He'd probably be a Sunday League football coach, having found academia to be a mutually-agreed dead end. But who's to say he wouldn't have been happier, and more well-adjusted, in that life?

You commit two errors of fact here, both of which fall under the logical fallacy of the false premise.

Arday was not a DEI hire. In the UK the term is EDI and does not mean what you believe it means. You have been told that employment discrimination on grounds of race, sex, sexuality, disability or religion is illegal in the UK (England & Wales, Scotland and N.I.) under the Equality Act 1997 (IIRC - might have been updated since) so stop lying that 'Arday was a DEI-hire'. Get rid of your elementary false premise.

Secondly, Cofnas was not the originator of the story, it was David Harris,

 

[Vixen]

Ironically, it seems Cofnas was better at original research and written communication. So he might well have been more qualified than Arday even if he was poorly qualified for his own role.

Cofnas' research on race differences in intelligence is literally non-existent.

 

[Ziggurat]

Arday was not a DEI hire. In the UK the term is EDI

Nobody cares about the difference.

You have been told that employment discrimination on grounds of race, sex, sexuality, disability or religion is illegal in the UK (England & Wales, Scotland and N.I.) under the Equality Act 1997 (IIRC - might have been updated since) so stop lying that 'Arday was a DEI-hire'.

The fact that it's illegal doesn't mean it didn't happen. Racial discrimination is illegal in the US too, but it still happens all the bloody time.

 

[Vixen]

Nobody cares about the difference.

The fact that it's illegal doesn't mean it didn't happen. Racial discrimination is illegal in the US too, but it still happens all the bloody time.

As already stated, institutions like Cambridge University have strict recruitment, processing and interview policies. Arday being a Black African does not follow that that is why he was hired.

 

[Darat]

Even if Cofnas turns out to have plagiarized in order to obtain his academic credentials and fabulated various heart-warming stories of overcoming adversity in his bio, that wouldn't somehow make Arday innocent of such things.

No but it would be ironic!

 

[d4m10n]

Ironically, it seems Cofnas was better at original research...

Cofnas' research on race differences in intelligence is literally non-existent.

Probably worth noting that response from @Vixen does not refute the claim from @theprestige.

It could well be Cofnas is good at original research into much less controversial areas of study.

 

[Ziggurat]

As already stated, institutions like Cambridge University have strict recruitment, processing and interview policies.

You've never been involved in academic hiring, have you? I'm not saying your statement here is wrong, per se, but I don't think you understand what it actually means.

Arday being a Black African does not follow that that is why he was hired.

I can't prove that's part of why he was hired, that much is true.

But nothing you said proves that race didn't play a role in his hiring. And the alternative explanations aren't actually any better.

 

[Vixen]

Probably worth noting that response from @Vixen does not refute the claim from @theprestige.

It could well be Cofnas is good at original research into much less controversial areas of study.

It is factual Cofnas has never researched intelligence. It is not his area of postdoctoral research nor any other research.

 

[d4m10n]

It is factual Cofnas has never researched intelligence.

Would his claims about Arday be more or less credible if he had done so?

 

[smartcooky]

Ah, so bias is irrelevant if it's against someone you disagree with?

Shooting the messenger is never a good look, even if you don't like the messenger.

Even if the messenger is a colossal dickbag.

Even if Cofnas turns out to have plagiarized in order to obtain his academic credentials and fabulated various heart-warming stories of overcoming adversity in his bio, that wouldn't somehow make Arday innocent of such things.

But you guys are forgetting an important axiom of the loony-left, progressive mindset... and that is, 'if anyone who says anything against any of their "chosen ones" has even just the slightest hint of something racist or right wing in their background, then nothing they ever say about anything can ever be trusted'.

Nathan Cofnas is a racist ◊◊◊◊, and an all round scummy individual. His bat-crap crazy ideas about genetically based relative intelligence between races is nothing short of of dog-whistle bigotry hiding under the guise of academic scholarship.

But the reality is, regardless of what a scummy individual Cosnas is, it doesn't mean he is wrong on this. It doesn't even matter is his motivation for investigating Arday was based in his bigotry, if what that investigation reveals turns out to be independently verified truth. Those truths don't magically go away just because the exposer or fact-finder turns out to be a vile prick!!

 

[Vixen]

Would his claims about Arday be more or less credible if he had done so?

His claims are ludicrous.

 

[Vixen]

But you guys are forgetting an important axiom of the loony-left, progressive mindset... and that is, 'if anyone who says anything against any of their "chosen ones" has just the slightest hint of something racist or right wing in their background, then nothing they ever say can ever be trusted'.

Nathan Cofnas is a racist ◊◊◊◊, and an all round scummy individual. His bat-crap crazy ideas about genetically based relative intelligence between races is nothing short of of dog-whistle bigotry hiding under the guise of academic scholarship.

But regardless of any of that, it doesn't mean he is wrong on this. It doesn't even matter is his motivation for investigating Arday was based in his bigotry, if what that investigation reveals turns out to be independently verified truth. Those things don't magically go away just because the exposer or fact-finder turns out to be a vile prick!!

Here we go with the 'even if...' stuff.

 

[Ziggurat]

Here we go with the 'even if...' stuff.

This you?

You are just assuming he's lying, and even if he was, it doesn't count as fraud.

 

[d4m10n]

His claims are ludicrous.

Okay, but are they somehow related to intelligence research?

 

[smartcooky]

This you?

BUSTED!!!

 

[smartcooky]

Here we go with the 'even if...' stuff.

"I'm for truth, no matter who tells it. I'm for justice, no matter who it is for or against"
- Malcolm X

 

[Vixen]

This you?

The onus is surely on the prosecutor. So say you were standing trial, how would you feel if the Judge determines that even if you are innocent (until proven guilty) you are still guilty as charged.

 

[Vixen]

Okay, but are they somehow related to intelligence research?

None whatsoever. Intelligence research is in the field of Psychology. Cofnas has zero understanding of Statistics, either. Only a charlatan says the type of stuff he's come out with.

 

[smartcooky]

None whatsoever. Intelligence research is in the field of Psychology. Cofnas has zero understanding of Statistics, either. Only a charlatan says the type of stuff he's come out with.

None of this has any relevance to the topic under discussion. Cofnas investigated Arday and found him to be a cheat, a serial liar and a fraud. Those findings turn out to be verified truth. None of that changes just because Cofnas is a vile bastard.

The truth remains the truth no matter who speaks it.

 

[Ziggurat]

The onus is surely on the prosecutor. So say you were standing trial, how would you feel if the Judge determines that even if you are innocent (until proven guilty) you are still guilty as charged.

That wasn't the hypothetical "even if" being considered. Nobody is saying that Arday is guilty even if Arday is innocent.