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Question: How did they include things in the mission photographs, film and live TV that were not known in advance?
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Apollo 11 Moon Landing Revisited: Hoax ~vs~ Debunk
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Question: How did they include things in the mission photographs, film and live TV that were not known in advance?
Axxman300
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Jesus.
The better question is how fast would the chase car have to drive to maintain radio contact?
And why do the LA TV news helicopters keep speeding cars in frame of their cameras even though they are flying slower than the car, most of the time?
You already stink at basic camera knowledge, maybe hold off on basic radio until you can find a Cub Scout who can show you how to build a radio.
Mojo
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The problem here is that Vixen thinks she's the smartest person here, and is therefore tailoring her posts to someone who is really stupid.
Axxman300
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Oh, and if any of the normal people here are bored, the ISS is doing another space walk right now:
And yes, I'm a NASA groupie. Sue me.
And yes, I'm a NASA groupie. Sue me.
Andy_Ross
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Yes, because earth rotates at over 1000 miles an hour.
Jack by the hedge
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It does seem to be the case that Vixen believes something from long ago about her being the smartest person in the room, so she expects to be able to bluff her way through on any topic, against all these other dim bulbs. I'm not sure she is aware of how aware we are of how often she's doing that. Badly.
I suspect she reassures herself she is leading us all a merry dance and we don't know it because we aren't as smart as her. Ones toes curl somewhat.
JayUtah
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Or rather, she knows she will irritate her betters by talking down to them and thereby earn herself ten more pages of attention.
JayUtah
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That has nothing to do with the lunar orbit photography. The subject was not "perfectly static" and there was no background to go whizzing by.
Try this one instead.
You're driving slowly through a residential neighborhood during the holiday season and you want to take video of a particularly well-dressed house. You cannot stop, otherwise you'd block traffic. But you want to film that stationary object as you move past it. Do you:
1. Keep the camera pointed in one direction so that the house enters the frame, slides across it, and leaves the frame.
2. Turn the camera as you pass so that the lens always stays pointed at the house.
If you did #2, what would the house look like in the video? Would it stay in the same relative position in the frame but show a different aspect as it is continually photographed from a slightly different angle? By "aspect" I mean that the house appears to rotate even if it keeps the same position in the frame.
The Apollo astronauts did #2. Your authors lied when reporting it. Your authors deleted the audio in which the astronauts explained what they were doing and why. Your authors told their audience the objects didn't change, even when it's possible to determine that the objects did change. Your authors insist that #1 is the only way such photography can occur.
This change of aspect is not just something I made up. It's a key principle of photographic analysis. In fact, if we know something about the house—say the exact width of the front porch—we can work backwards from changes in aspect to determine where the camera was.
You originally claimed pictures would be sent "via a non-geopositioned satellite," which is a dog's breakfast version of the original claim in which you (not your authors) created what sounds like the need for a communications relay. Now you're just waving your hands frantically at the notion of "spinning" to pretend all of this somehow works out.
No, you're not the teacher. You're not the smartest person in the room.
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Axxman300
Philosopher
God bless NASA, they have us covered on this rabbit hole:
www.nasa.gov
I got your baby steps right here, written in plain English.
Space Communications: 7 Things You Need to Know - NASA
NASA’s Space Communications and Navigation (SCaN) program enables this data exchange, whether it’s with astronauts aboard the International Space Station, rovers on Mars, or the Artemis missions to the Moon.
www.nasa.gov
I got your baby steps right here, written in plain English.
P.J. Denyer
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I will join the chorus of posters reminding you that we are discussing the logistical challenges of broadcasting television to earth from the lunar surface.
Axxman300
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Forgive me for dropping fun facts here, but we have a lunar eclipse this week:
svs.gsfc.nasa.gov
Wonder how many stars I can photograph while the moon is out?
NASA Scientific Visualization Studio | August 27-28, 2026 Deep Partial Lunar Eclipse
On August 28, 2026 (the evening of the 27th in some time zones), the Moon passes into the shadow of Earth, creating a deep partial lunar eclipse. At the moment of greatest eclipse, 4:13 a.m. Univeral Time, 96.3% of the Moon's disk will be within Earth's umbra. The Americas are centrally located...
svs.gsfc.nasa.gov
Wonder how many stars I can photograph while the moon is out?
JayUtah
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The video she's referring to was shot from lunar orbit using the television camera. Live TV was the only way to get images to Earth in real time. Everything else had to be brought back and developed. The telecommunication principles are the same, however. The television camera was plugged into the command module's communication system which sent the signals back to Earth using the service module's high-gain antenna. That's the gadget with the four circles protruding at lower right from the CSM here shown in lunar orbit.
Those were picked up directly by ground stations without the need for any sort of relay.
The H-type missions used an erectable S-band antenna.
Apollo 11 carried one of these, but it takes time to set up. Mission planners wanted to keep the first lunar surface EVA short. Hence they crammed a crude version of the TV signal into something that could be sent using the lunar module's S-band antenna, shown here on a museum specimen in Houston, TX.
For the J-missions the rover's dish antenna was manually aimed at Earth every time they stopped. No relay required.
All these antennas require simply being pointed at Earth in order to transmit television signals. The fact that the Moon is slowly rotating doesn't matter. The fact that Earth is slowly rotating doesn't matter.
Andy_Ross
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JayUtah
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The bulbous elbows and knees are characteristic of early attempts to make a constant-volume joint. Apollo pressure gloves had bulbous knuckles and were bespoke for each astronaut.
The work my team did in the late 1980s centered around more of a one-size-fits all mentality. (Actually it was a three-sizes-fit-most proposition.) And we moved from bulbous joints to accordion joints for the fingers. The challenge is manufacturing them with those intricate pleats to an appropriately safe standard using as thin a material layer as possible. Pleats tend to stick in molds. And the angles where the pleats change direction become stress points if not carefully fashioned with proper curves. But then add too much material there and it feels funny for the astronaut to grip things.
Our major drawback was that these gloves lost heat at a higher rate. Astronauts' hands got cold compared to Apollo gloves. That was the tradeoff for more dexterity. The later versions of our glove, which became standard, still lost heat. Astronauts reported having to hold their hands close enough to shuttle payload floodlights so that enough radiant heat would warm their hands.
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W.D.Clinger
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One of the more plausible explanations for her belief is that she is the reincarnation of an ancient Greek intellectual who had an IQ of 1600.
It all makes sense when you realize her understanding of mathematics and science would have been at the cutting edge some 2500 years ago.
And again, Vixen is flirting with the absurd error of conflating the task of keeping a directional TV transmission aligned with the receiver, with the task of keeping a TV camera (moving or stationary) aimed at a subject (moving or stationary).
Soon we're going to hear things like "the Earth's rotational plane is tilted with respect to the moon's orbital plane, so without a geopositioned relay satellite to correct the angle, the TV picture would have arrived tilted."
Mojo
Mostly harmless
That's no good. Vixen thinks that "plain English" is something that people use to try to bamboozle her (see the Luton Airport fire threads).God bless NASA, they have us covered on this rabbit hole:
Space Communications: 7 Things You Need to Know - NASA
NASA’s Space Communications and Navigation (SCaN) program enables this data exchange, whether it’s with astronauts aboard the International Space Station, rovers on Mars, or the Artemis missions to the Moon.
I got your baby steps right here, written in plain English.
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Thermal
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I know someone exactly like this- he thinks he is smart, and either hangs around enough stupid people to pull it off, and/or the smart people he hangs around with kind of pity him and stopped bothering to correct him long ago (too time consuming with no benefit). He even threw in obscure or Latin phrases whenever he could, always using them a little incorrectly.