Mojo
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No, she wasn't. She was arrested for silently praying in an exclusion zone outside an abortion clinic.
The 'centrists' in the UK free speech thread had trouble understanding this concept as well.
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The behaviour of UK police officers.
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The 'centrists' in the UK free speech thread had trouble understanding this concept as well.
I wrote, word for word, what the officer said. Did you miss it? Here it is again.
"I'm not saying you've committed a crime, am I? I need your details in order to say that you are not involved in this because you do live at this location. You're saying that you won't give me your details to prove that you live here so that means I have reasonable grounds to suspect that you ain't here here for a lawful reason".
So, what we have is a guy wating for a delivery, in the street where he lives being approached by a police officer who he tells exactly what he's doing. Since when did waiting for a delivery in your street give rise to believe that one is up to no good?
He is not obliged to give her his details. Right away she put him on the wrong side of the law.
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Carrot Flower King
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Some of this was covered in the UK freedom of speech thread.
It's clearly satire.
Mojo
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They should be protecting women from things the Right don't approve of, not godbotherers.
I see that now. I'll happily state that in that event and having looked at the restrictions in place there was absolutely no other action than arrest. It would have been entirely lawful and there is no way that such egregious behaviour could end up in a civil claim and see all charges dropped
Right?
WRONG!
Carrot Flower King
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For avoidance of doubt and for the sake of clarity, I and a number of other folk I knew did engage in protest actions (occupations of buildings for a start and up to some folk - not me - chaining themselves to the gates of Torness power station) which we knew fine well could possibly have resulted in arrest. So we would not have complained if the police had called our bluff and nicked us. And we didn't have legal heat already in place, as that wasn't the point. And we were all broke...
The stuff I might have complained about was living in a house where the phone was clearly bugged (very crude early '80s technology, hearing bits of the last phone call being replayed on picking up the phone, clicks of a tape machine turning on, that sort of stuff). We worked out that about 3 houses on our street were bugged and did a lot of playing - "The grey goose flies over Krakow tonight!" "Make sure you wear your pink carnation!" "Buy a copy of Tuesday's International Herald Tribune!").
The stuff I might have complained about was living in a house where the phone was clearly bugged (very crude early '80s technology, hearing bits of the last phone call being replayed on picking up the phone, clicks of a tape machine turning on, that sort of stuff). We worked out that about 3 houses on our street were bugged and did a lot of playing - "The grey goose flies over Krakow tonight!" "Make sure you wear your pink carnation!" "Buy a copy of Tuesday's International Herald Tribune!").
The courts disagree with you. She's £13,000 richer for that too, a very small part of which came out of your hard earned cash.
catsmate
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IIRR that was before the Usual Suspects starting spamming their nonsense.
The Common Potato
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"Good evening, sir. We've had reports of a man matching your description etc." It's not hard and need not take 45 seconds. Later, if requested, the police must, with no unreasonable delay, provide evidence of that description as it was presented to them. (To stop hem making stuff up, you understand.)
The police give the impression that they thing that they can do what they wish and that any restriction on this is a diabolical liberty.
The police give the impression that they thing that they can do what they wish and that any restriction on this is a diabolical liberty.
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She implores him not to walk away from her then chastises him for getting too close.
And?
He wasn't particularly close to the officer, that's the officer with a K9 on a long lead.
He complied and then she attempted to turn that compliance into a threat. Put him on the wrong side of the law.
I know you won't agree with me and I know why. You've been upfront about it.
smartcooky
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Well don't. No-one here needs to have the law copsplained to them.
Address the actual scenario, as it played out, without you additions and/or alterations.
smartcooky
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Man Arrested In Britain For Briefly Thinking About Sharing Meme
BIRMINGHAM, ENGLAND — Local man Roger Fisher was arrested this morning on suspicion of briefly considering sharing a meme.babylonbee.com
A few years ago, the Babylon Bee had an article about people being arrested and charged for posting their opinions on social media.
Readers at the time thought it was satire!!
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smartcooky
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I know you would far rather everyone who doesn't agree with you just shut the ◊◊◊◊ up or be charged with a hate speech crime (presumably because they used speech that you hate) but I can tell you for a fact that the behaviour of police is inextricably linked with free speech issues.
The police are often the first ones interact with the target when someone has accused them of saying or posting hurty words.
catsmate
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You're purporting to read minds again.
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I googled, "what proportion of black people being murdered is gang related, compared to white people who are murdered?".
The AI response was, "Comprehensive official statistics tracking the exact proportion of homicides that are "gang-related" broken down explicitly by the race of the victim are limited, but national data analyses (such as past supplemental homicide reports) indicate that roughly 11% of Black homicide victims and about 4% of white homicide victims die in incidents identified as gang-related".
Nessie
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Why do you not write down what the officer said to him, around the 35-45 seconds part of the video, where she explains why he is being stopped?
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Why don't you? Then we can all see how it goes from, "I'm not saying you've committed a crime.", to the bit where she tries to put him on the wrong side of the law when he is simply waiting for a pizza.