Merged Arday life and death

[angrysoba]

That's just an obvious list of words that describes obvious differences between student teachers. A fact is not copyright to any one person. Listing differences between students is hardly stealing someone else's ideas. You can tell it's unintentional because a cognisant cheat would at least change the word order and perhaps slip one in of their own. For example, 'ages'.

This is insane!

He also copied many other of her words and had cited her in his thesis though without proper attribution of these sentences.

You clearly do not understand what you are talking about or you are simply lying, perhaps trolling. Perhaps you are actually getting your jollies by making these perverse arguments that you know sound unbelievable.

 

[Rolfe]

It can be true that a person with a psychopathic personality disorder might commit suicide as a defiant reckless act. I am not seeing that Arday has done anything that could be classed as socially transgressive. OK so not properly ascribing credit in a research paper could be seen as immoral but hardly uncommon or a crime (in any case Arday was cleared and his PhD stands). So he may have exaggerated how many marathons he ran in X months. Again hardly a criminal offence or even proven.

IMV his apparent suicide followed an intense pile on of over 230 articles in mainstream newspapers including the TIMES EDUCATIONAL SUPPLEMENT and stiff 'desist' letters from him. He has two young children, I believe separated from his partner, with hints of his being gay (so what?). It does sound like he was in a very dark place, with his career ruined, and his academic reputation in shreds.

Let's be clear: this is no alleged murderer, rapist or paedophile, just someone considered as kind and gentle by his colleagues.

He was a fabulist and a fraudster who achieved a high-status, high-salaried position by telling a string of lies. He fought dirty to try to prevent the lies being exposed, and when they finally were, he couldn't handle it. Save your sympathy.

 

[zooterkin]

Race is not a thing in the UK unlike America.

Arrant nonsense. Race absolutely is a thing in the UK; it may not be the same thing as in America, because the history is different.

 

[Ziggurat]

I am not seeing that Arday has done anything that could be classed as socially transgressive. OK so not properly ascribing credit in a research paper could be seen as immoral but hardly uncommon or a crime (in any case Arday was cleared and his PhD stands). So he may have exaggerated how many marathons he ran in X months. Again hardly a criminal offence or even proven.

You moved your own goalpost in one paragraph. What's the standard, "socially transgressive" or "criminal"? Because they aren't the same.

IMV his apparent suicide followed an intense pile on of over 230 articles in mainstream newspapers including the TIMES EDUCATIONAL SUPPLEMENT and stiff 'desist' letters from him. He has two young children, I believe separated from his partner, with hints of his being gay (so what?). It does sound like he was in a very dark place, with his career ruined, and his academic reputation in shreds.

Which do you think he cared about: all the articles, or the ruination of his career? Because those two things aren't the same either. And I don't think his career was salvageable even if there was little press coverage, given what was uncovered.

 

[Darat]

That parenthetical is doing some seriously heavy lifting. Let's be clear, Arday built his academic career by borrowing other people's ideas and words without attribution.

For instance, Arday’s line on page 17 of his 2015 dissertation—“Student teachers are unique individuals and differ in their personal biographies and prior experiences, disposition to enquiry, cognitive and perceptive abilities, communication, interpersonal skills, adaptability, values, and belief systems”—is a perfect match to page 1 of Zwozdiak-Myers’ 2009 dissertation.​

Surely Liberals Can Agree That Plagiarism Is Bad

Institutions need to uphold standards. No exceptions.

www.persuasion.community

What has this got to do with liberals?

 

[Vixen]

He was a fabulist and a fraudster who achieved a high-status, high-salaried position by telling a string of lies. He fought dirty to try to prevent the lies being exposed, and when they finally were, he couldn't handle it. Save your sympathy.

Claims Karen, Julia, Nathan and Allison in their vile hack opinion pieces. Even the GUARDIAN joining in with ludicrous speculation as to whether Arday was ever heard speaking as a child and how the "Butcher says, no", re an alleged pig's head, as though it had to be one in town.

Read what Will Self has to say, not a bunch of envious hacks.

 

[theprestige]

There is a claim going around that one of Arday's jealous colleagues was leaking derogatory stuff to Cofnas and the mass media about Arday.

Arday was leaking derogatory stuff to the media about Arday.

 

[theprestige]

Race is not a thing in the UK unlike America. The defining barriers to entry in the UK is class. Lots of upper class twits get into Oxbridge after years of extremely intensive and expensive schooling from age 8, all geared towards passing the entrance exams, which - I don't know if it is still the case - often required things like classics and latin, which the average working class or even middle class Brit did not study until secondary level.

After giving it some more thought, I'm open to the possibility that Oxbridge is full of plagiarists and fantasists, and that Arday was only persecuted because of his class.

 

[SpuriusMaximus]

Which do you think he cared about: all the articles, or the ruination of his career? Because those two things aren't the same either. And I don't think his career was salvageable even if there was little press coverage, given what was uncovered.

TBH, if he hadn't attracted a perfect media ****-storm with his over-the-top pathological lying, it probably would have been salvaged. The public at large doesn't give a flip about some obscure academic in a soft field turning out to be a fraud. That doesn't sell newspapers nor cause clicks. It's not the kind of thing a cabbie will start a talk about. But when you're the proverbial guy standing at the top of a hill in a thunderstorm, spear held high, screaming "F U elder gods of thunder, I started as a mortal and trained to be as conductive as copper!"... Yeah, that can cause attention you REALLY don't want... and neither do the guys with a hand up your rear end, using you as a muppet to advance their own PR agenda.

 

[theprestige]

You do have the right to have your critics stop contacting you.

No, you don't. You have the right to refuse contact. You don't have the right to stop them from trying. In some cases, you can convince the police or the courts to grant you the privilege of having someone not try to contact you.

It turns out that in the UK, you can get a no contact order if someone sends you more than one unwanted email.

https://www.police.uk/advice/advice-and-information/beta-stalking-and-harassment/what-is-stalking-harassment/

So yeah, it seems Arday should never have been held accountable if he didn't want to be held accountable.

 

[theprestige]

I know and previously responded that yes he overreacted at the start, when his likely motivation was to deter enquiry that would lead to the uncovering of his lying. But, he still has the right, from the start, to request people stop contacting him and for that to be respected.

The subsequent enquiries with colleagues, friends etc will still have uncovered his lies, but, without the pressure of the harassment that followed, he may still be alive.

Why are you so obsessed with denying Arday agency in this?

Also, why are you so invested in upholding the suicide's veto? "Don't hold me accountable or I'll kill myself" is an abominable threat to make. As far as I'm concerned, anyone who adopts such a strategy can get help or get wrecked. Getting away with it is not an option I'm interested in.

 

[d4m10n]

What has this got to do with liberals?

I think that is pretty clear in the article, which I was quoting just to show one example of sentence-length plagiarism. Not sure if it's worth going into here, given that we already have a dedicated thread about "the liberal mindset."

 

[Nessie]

The cause of his death WAS his inability to cope with being found out. It absolutely is not on those reporting on what he did.

Well, that, plus I strongly suspect, an element of "you'll all be sorry when I'm dead", and he was savvy enough to realise that his suicide might well accomplish exactly what it seems to have accomplished in many people's eyes - turn him into a martyr who was driven to his death by a hostile world.

We cannot know if it was being caught out, the stress of the media interest or the social media pile on, or combination thereof, that caused him to take his own life.

 

[Nessie]

Why are you so obsessed with denying Arday agency in this?

Also, why are you so invested in upholding the suicide's veto? "Don't hold me accountable or I'll kill myself" is an abominable threat to make. As far as I'm concerned, anyone who adopts such a strategy can get help or get wrecked. Getting away with it is not an option I'm interested in.

I am not denying he had responsibility for his own downfall and that in the end, he took his own life.

I have also made it very clear that he should have been held accountable. The only thing I have argued against, is the contacting after he asked not to be contacted.

 

[Nessie]

No, you don't. You have the right to refuse contact. You don't have the right to stop them from trying. In some cases, you can convince the police or the courts to grant you the privilege of having someone not try to contact you.

It turns out that in the UK, you can get a no contact order if someone sends you more than one unwanted email.

https://www.police.uk/advice/advice-and-information/beta-stalking-and-harassment/what-is-stalking-harassment/

So yeah, it seems Arday should never have been held accountable if he didn't want to be held accountable.

It is amazing how many people think that the only way to hold someone accountable, is for a journalist to interview them.

 

[dirtywick]

What has this got to do with liberals?

So—as you can see—it’s an uncomfortable story landing right on the faultlines of the culture wars. On one side is institutional procedure alongside an institutional culture hyper-sensitive to accusations against what the Good Law Project calls “a working class Black man.” On the other side is the argument that standards must be maintained—and maintained by academic and journalistic vigilantes if the institutions are unwilling to uphold their own meritocratic principles.

as it says, it’s culture war bull crap. like most of that stuff, nobody in the united states would actually care about a guy in a uk university teaching a social studies degree who lied about his qualifications if it wasn’t

 

[theprestige]

I am not denying he had responsibility for his own downfall and that in the end, he took his own life.

I have also made it very clear that he should have been held accountable. The only thing I have argued against, is the contacting after he asked not to be contacted.

You say these things, and then you follow them up with "but, without the pressure of the harassment that followed, he may still be alive."

This looks to me very much like a denial of his responsibility, and a desire that he not be held accountable.

Responsible journalists were trying to get his side of the story. Stop implicating them in his suicide's veto.

 

[Rolfe]

We cannot know if it was being caught out, the stress of the media interest or the social media pile on, or combination thereof, that caused him to take his own life.

The amount of public interest couldn't have helped, but his entire world had come crashing down. Being a Cambridge professor isn't just a job, it's a life, a life-style. College dinners and walks in the quad and cricket and punting on the Cam and the Boat Race and being almost revered in polite society. He had fawning interviews and was a minor celebrity. All gone.

 

[Wudang]

An article by another academic about how Arday’s work actually had an apparently high impact factor which he says would have influenced his appointment more than dubious claims of posts.
He further suggests that the plagiarism may have been more apparent than real - ie of words rather than ideas. Via Carole Cadwalladr

It sure looks like Jason Arday was horrifically wronged (based on citation data)

The media’s profound ignorance of academia is a problem

jasonstanleyantifascist.substack.com

 

[Rolfe]

I am not denying he had responsibility for his own downfall and that in the end, he took his own life.

I have also made it very clear that he should have been held accountable. The only thing I have argued against, is the contacting after he asked not to be contacted.

Please point to a formal request from him not to be contacted after the media feeding frenzy got going. I'm not saying there wasn't one, but people keep pointing to the two occasions when he called the police on (a) a retired professor and (b) a journalist from the THE, which were individual things that happened weeks before the media interest, as if they constituted a blanket prohibition on anyone contacting him.