Merged Arday life and death

[Vixen]

I don't think there are any free speech issues raised by his death or before.

It is a free speech issue insofar the press hasn`t learnt its lessons from Dr David Kelly (Iraq war truther who said there were no WMD´s, resulting in a huge vicious backlash from the government [Bush poodle, Tony Bliar]) or Caroline Flack, who both topped themselves and as a consequence, drew huge criticism of how the press had treated them in the lead up to their suicides. There are quite a few examples of where the press - or more likely columnists paid to be controversial to sell papers and stir up hate - have exceeded their remit.

 

[Vixen]

You're arguing that Mental heath claims ought to be a catch-all to escape accountability. Sorry, that doesn't wash with me.

Perhaps you need to work on your empathy and compassionate side, which seem to be overrided by your strong right wing beliefs.

 

[Darat]

It is a free speech issue insofar the press hasn`t learnt its lessons from Dr David Kelly (Iraq war truther who said there were no WMD´s, resulting in a huge vicious backlash from the government [Bush poodle, Tony Bliar]) or Caroline Flack, who both topped themselves and as a consequence, drew huge criticism of how the press had treated them in the lead up to their suicides. There are quite a few examples of where the press - or more likely columnists paid to be controversial to sell papers and stir up hate - have exceeded their remit.

None of those examples are issues of freedom of speech.

 

[Darat]

Perhaps you need to work on your empathy and compassionate side, which seem to be overrided by your strong right wing beliefs.

Or it could be that smartcookie like me doesn't believe there is any freedom of speech issue in his death or life.

The slightly daft suggestion from one police officer doesn't make it a freedom of speech issue.

 

[smartcooky]

Perhaps you need to work on your empathy and compassionate side, which seem to be overrided by your strong right wing beliefs.

Oh bollocks!! Its nothing to do with empathy or politics. If you you're a cheat, and/or a liar and/or a fraud (and Jason Arday was all three) you should not be able to use mental health as an out to avoid scrutiny.

Mr Arday was all ready and willing to use the media to promote his bull-◊◊◊◊ story, but then, when he was found out and the pressure started to climb, he tried to use the police to stop that very same media from asking valid questions.

 

[Pixel42]

I absolutely hate the way press congregate outside the home of someone who is currently in the news, shouting questions at anyone who goes in or out, trying to get video/photos etc. I do think they go too far with that sort of thing, especially when those inside are mostly (sometimes wholly) innocent bystanders of the scandal de jour, or even victims of it.

 

[Vixen]

Oh bollocks!! Its nothing to do with empathy or politics. If you you're a cheat, and/or a liar and/or a fraud (and Jason Arday was all three) you should not be able to use mental health as an out to avoid scrutiny.

Mr Arday was all ready and willing to use the media to promote his bull-◊◊◊◊ story, but then, when he was found out and the pressure started to climb, he tried to use the police to stop that very same media from asking valid questions.

Any evidence he was a cheat, given an investigation by Cambridge hasn't even started yet?

 

[Mojo]

Perhaps you need to work on your empathy and compassionate side, which seem to be overrided by your strong right wing beliefs.

Strong right-wing beliefs require a lack of empathy.

 

[Darat]

I absolutely hate the way press congregate outside the home of someone who is currently in the news, shouting questions at anyone who goes in or out, trying to get video/photos etc. I do think they go too far with that sort of thing, especially when those inside are mostly (sometimes wholly) innocent bystanders of the scandal de jour, or even victims of it.

It's a strange one, if the "media" that was doing that was a single person you'd be able to report harassment but when it's a bastard* of journalists it isn't dealt with as harassment.

Still nothing to do with freedom of speech.

*I think that is the correct collective noun

 

[Matthew Best]

As soon as Ardey sent a lawyers letter and asked the police to ask journalists to leave him alone, I say they should have respected that. Any investigator, police, journalists or otherwise, knows how to continue investigating when the subject clams up and refuses to speak.

I may not have been reading as much as I should, but how do we know the press weren't "leaving him alone"? (I mean in the sense of not phoning or doorstopping him - they were obviously writing about him, as we can all see.)

 

[Nessie]

Perhaps you need to work on your empathy and compassionate side, which seem to be overrided by your strong right wing beliefs.

I think smartcooky needs to also work on his reading skills. I have specifically stated that the enquiry into Ardey was not dependent on contacting him and evidence could easily be gathered by contacting friends, work colleagues or students. Plenty of people refuse to speak to investigators, be that the police or journalists and that does not mean they cannot be held accountable.

 

[Nessie]

Or it could be that smartcookie like me doesn't believe there is any freedom of speech issue in his death or life.

The slightly daft suggestion from one police officer doesn't make it a freedom of speech issue.

X was full of people, public, journalists and social commentators, claiming the police officer asking the journalist to not contact Ardey, was an attack on freedom of speech.

 

[Nessie]

I may not have been reading as much as I should, but how do we know the press weren't "leaving him alone"? (I mean in the sense of not phoning or doorstopping him - they were obviously writing about him, as we can all see.)

I read reports, apparently from friends that he was getting hundreds of requests for quotes or interviews. How much that is the case and whether he had been doorstepped much, I do not know.

 

[Darat]

X was full of people, public, journalists and social commentators, claiming the police officer asking the journalist to not contact Ardey, was an attack on freedom of speech.

X is full of crap.

 

[Matthew Best]

I read reports, apparently from friends that he was getting hundreds of requests for quotes or interviews. How much that is the case and whether he had been doorstepped much, I do not know.

I don't know either, but we seem to be assuming it was true, which is ironic given the subject.

 

[Nessie]

X is full of crap.

The Jason Arday saga exposes the Met Police's troubling pattern on free speech

Max Thompson writes for GB News on how the Jason Arday scandal, and the Met's pursuit of journalist Jack Grove, reveals a troubling pattern of policing lawful speech.

freespeechunion.org

"The Jason Arday saga exposes the Met Police's troubling pattern on free speech"

Jason Arday reported academic critic to police after questions over his research - Committee For Academic Freedom

Professor Jason Arday reported fellow academic Dr David Harris to police after Harris raised concerns about apparent errors and possible plagiarism in his work.

afcomm.org.uk

"As an organisation that defends academic freedom and freedom of speech within the law, CAF takes no view on the ultimate merits of the allegations concerning Arday’s work. We are, however, deeply concerned by what appears, on the evidence available to us, to have been an attempt to use the criminal law to suppress legitimate scholarly scrutiny."

 

[Nessie]

I don't know either, but we seem to be assuming it was true, which is ironic given the subject.

I think it is a reasonable assumption to make, as articles have been all over the media and it seems highly unlikely none of those journalists approached him for comment.

 

[smartcooky]

Any evidence he was a cheat, given an investigation by Cambridge hasn't even started yet?

He plagiarized the work of another academic (Brunel University's Paula Zwozdiak-Myers) for his degree. It wasn't just a few phrases here and there - whole sections of her work were copied and pasted, word for word. He lifted over 100 passages, some of them whole paragraphs, from Paula's near-identical 2009 thesis. He also used passages from other academics without sources or references.

In case you didn't know, plagiarism is cheating... and its been verified by dozens of analysts, including the very reporter from Times Higher Education (Jack Grove) whose investigations brought Arday's fraud to light.

 

[Vixen]

Dude. You wrote a lot of words, and from what I could see most were irrelevant.

You did say that much of the blame rests on the shoulders of Cambridge, and that is true, but that has also been the claims around Woody. That is to say too many people have been accomplices in the fraudulent behaviour and also for making over the top claims, particularly in relation to non-verbal autism.

You wanted to use the case of Jason Arday to say “see! Look! It can happen!” Only to find out that it was mostly made up nonsense.

Arday and Brown are mostly victims in all of this, enabled by people who should have known better, and the case of Arday is sadly an example of people who think they are being kind actually being wildly irresponsible and reckless. Please consider what you are doing here.

No, it is not 'made up'. Hacks finding former schoolfriends of Arday, claim he joked and laughed; others confirmed he barely spoke at all and was sent for speech therapy. Just because a detractor claims Arday was never autistic at all is hardly proof, just hearsay. You have taken it for granted he was a fraud without any real evidence.

But if he was awarded a PhD and appointed as a professor then there is nothing fake about that either. A far-right racist eugenicist, Nathan Cofnas, singled out Arday for the same reasons Woody Brown is attacked (see Jadebox' msg, above); a belief higher education is reserved for non-disabled people from privileged demographics - for example, those who have had expensive education - and you should be questioning Cofnas' motives.

Woody Brown has a Master's in English from Stanford and now he is doing a Creative Writing doctorate.

Deal with it.

 

[Vixen]

He plagiarized the work of another academic (Brunel University's Paula Zwozdiak-Myers) for his degree. It wasn't just a few phrases here and there - whole sections of her work were copied and pasted, word for word. He lifted over 100 passages, some of them whole paragraphs, from Paula's near-identical 2009 thesis. He also used passages from other academics without sources or references.

In case you didn't know, plagiarism is cheating... and its been verified by dozens of analysts, including the very reporter from Times Higher Education (Jack Grove) whose investigations brought Arday's fraud to light.

No he did not. It is normal to quote others in research papers. Arday adopted the same terminology, as he claimed his condition led to mimicry. As for having the same spelling mistake ('paltry' spelt as 'poultry') how do you know it's not just autocorrect or various phrases being simply key statements in that field. Unis know how to detect plagiarism and Arday was CLEARED after an investigation demanded by 'outraged' jealous individuals, who made it their business to scrutinise every word Arday wrote.

Instead of feeling victorious over Arday's downfall by a vicious right wing media, try asking yourself why it was so important to bring Arday down? After all, employment affairs are usually trivial matters between employer and employee. Especially when the same press were heavily criticised over the Caroline Flack affair.