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Does 'rape culture' accurately describe (many) societies?

Teen Who Raped, Strangled and Brutalized 2 Girls Has Case Dismissed without Serving a Day in Prison​


Easily the strongest argument I've seen so far, that 'rape culture' accurately describes our society.

One of its greatest strengths is that it doesn't waste any time on irrelevant questions of pornography, and gets straight to an example of how our society treats rape itself.
 
Easily the strongest argument I've seen so far, that 'rape culture' accurately describes our society.

One of its greatest strengths is that it doesn't waste any time on irrelevant questions of pornography, and gets straight to an example of how our society treats rape itself.
There is an argument that rehabilitation is a better way to deal with the likes of Jesse Butler...that a custodial sentence doesn't work as well...so it's possible that that is the reasoning in this case.
 
Easily the strongest argument I've seen so far, that 'rape culture' accurately describes our society.

One of its greatest strengths is that it doesn't waste any time on irrelevant questions of pornography, and gets straight to an example of how our society treats rape itself.
I tend to agree. We have gotten better about these things and are better than many other societies but this is the best evidence that it is fair to describe the US as a rape culture.

There is an argument that rehabilitation is a better way to deal with the likes of Jesse Butler...that a custodial sentence doesn't work as well...so it's possible that that is the reasoning in this case.
When I read the headline, I thought, he's a connected rich kid, look what you see in the article:
Butler, the son of a prominent local family.....
 
I tend to agree. We have gotten better about these things and are better than many other societies but this is the best evidence that it is fair to describe the US as a rape culture.


When I read the headline, I thought, he's a connected rich kid, look what you see in the article:
Just how corrupt then is the US justice system - if that is what you are suggesting?
 
Just how corrupt then is the US justice system - if that is what you are suggesting?
It varies by state, county, and city but it can be pretty corrupt, but I'd assume the same of anything like this in any other country. Who was that TV presenter in England that got away with raping kids almost entirely because he was famous? I suspect this sort of thing is more common in small towns where medium-size fish are a very big deal in the small ponds.
 
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Just how corrupt then is the US justice system - if that is what you are suggesting?
It's exposed occasionally, but outside of the current DOJ, it's pretty minimal compared to other countries, I think. After Trump I expect a long cleanup to get the fired career staffers back or hire new professionals.
 
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Just how corrupt then is the US justice system - if that is what you are suggesting?
Not particularly corrupt.

However, two decisions here identify two individuals who may be extremely corrupt. One is the decision by the prosecutor to prosecute the defendant as a juvenile instead of as an adult. I assume that at age 17, the prosecutor has discretion here. If the decision to prosecute him as a child was the result of prosecutorial discretion, then I'd suspect the prosecutor of corruption.

The other is the decision by the judge to accept the plea deal, which amounted to a couple year's probation, with the charge dismissed upon successful completion. Judges always have discretion to reject the terms of a plea deal. Ruling 78 years of prison for rape and rape-related felonies down to two years' probation + dismissal seems like a pretty corrupt ruling from a judge.

I tend towards the view that there are rape cultures and subcultures throughout western societies, but that western society as a whole is remarkably anti-rape in principles and in practice, compared to other contemporary societies and to societies throughout human history.

For example, it's pretty clear that as a subculture, the wealth-having class struggles with things like reason and accountability. This kid rapes because he can, because his money insulates him from needing a job, or having to answer to anybody as a condition of living a life of ease and amusement.

So no, I don't think we have a rape culture in our society. I do think, however, that we do have pockets of rape subculture in our society, where members have found some way to insulate themselves from our society's defining principles and practices.

I also think we're developing a pervasive gooner culture in our society, but that's a separate issue as far as I'm concerned.
 
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Just how corrupt then is the US justice system - if that is what you are suggesting?
I'm not sure there's any corruption involved (ie, bribery). All it takes is bias, the judge assuming the best of the accused because he's from a respectable family. Which is still a problem, but isn't quite the same thing.
 
I'm not sure there's any corruption involved (ie, bribery). All it takes is bias, the judge assuming the best of the accused because he's from a respectable family. Which is still a problem, but isn't quite the same thing.
Still corrupt but more likely nepotism than quid pro quo. The judge likely travels in the same social circles as the kid's parents and likely justifies to himself in ways like, "I know he's really a good kid that made a bad mistake" or what not. Which is basically how it was through most of human history in most human societies. That we are mostly offended by it is an improvement.
 
I'm not sure there's any corruption involved (ie, bribery). All it takes is bias, the judge assuming the best of the accused because he's from a respectable family. Which is still a problem, but isn't quite the same thing.
The kid pled no contest to 78 years worth of rape and rape-related felonies. The judge would have to be comically far into his dotage, to assume the best (two years of probation and a dismissal) of the facts presented to the court.

I disagree with the narrow characterization of corruption as literal bribery. I think what happened here was a frank exchange of social capital between two peers in the local power elite. And I think that's every bit as corrupt as an actual money deal.
 
Of course I do. Whose rule is that, and why should I follow it
The golden rule is pretty universally upheld as axiomatic - in philosophy, religion and humanism. It would be the bedrock of hesitating before terminating the life of an unborn human.
Was Jesus following the Golden Rule when he drove the money changers out of the temple?
A question for a Christian in a relevant thread? How is that questing related to this thread?
 
The golden rule is pretty universally upheld as axiomatic - in philosophy, religion and humanism. It would be the bedrock of hesitating before terminating the life of an unborn human.
You seem to be assuming that people who support abortion rights would be (select your precise flavor of distaste) about the idea of their mums having considered or got an abortion while pregnant with them.

Not only to be flippant, I'm pretty sure that if I hadn't been born, I wouldn't be mad about it today.
 
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Not very, the USA is 29th on the Corruption Perceptions league. https://www.transparency.org/en/cpi/2025
There's irony in the perception of corruption, it often increases when efforts to combat corruption are increased. Probably because it's more obvious when someone is actually trying to uncover it.

And I apologize but I'm going to bring him up, Trump has really dialed it up to 11. So, the US is pretty god damn corrupt.
 
Not only to be flippant, I'm pretty sure that if I hadn't been born, I wouldn't be mad about it today.
That's like saying that nobody who has been killed is mad that they were killed. Technically true, but irrelevant to most people's moral calculus.
 

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