Apollo 11 Moon Landing Revisited: Hoax ~vs~ Debunk

[Pixel42]

It's quoting NASA experts who said the training shots were so good no-one could tell the difference.

We're talking about a supposed training shot which showed earth's cloud cover exactly as it would be when the astronauts were on the moon weeks later. That's what you're being asked to explain.

 

[Vixen]

Your first fact is incorrect, a fancy word for wrong. Ike was the President, and while he's technically the commander and chief he cannot spend money, create a budget, or much else. Congress does that. Congress (back then) governed by the will of the people, and Americans made it clear to their congressmen that living under a Soviet moon was not an option. So off into space we went.


And we did. Apollo 11 was two years late thanks to the Apollo 1 fire, and delay. We could have landed much earlier.


Mostly due to political reasons. Priorities, and money went elsewhere. But our second robot on Mars is still hard at work, we've collected mineral samples from a moving asteroid, and returned them to earth, and all kinds of fun space stuff...because we can.


That should tell you all you need to know about China. For all of their PhDs, they could have been sending men into space from 1985 onward. They have issues. Mostly related to wait unti the US developes something that they can steal, and back-engineer.


Sure there was. It's called, "SCIENCE". Manned space flight is dangerous. Danger is kind of our thing.


Okay, here's the the math: Aldrin suffered from depression, which ran in his family. His mother committed suicide in 1968, and his grandfather ended his life years before. So the math in Aldrin's case was he led a rough life before and after NASA.

Armstrong wasn't a recluse, he just didn't feel it was right to cash in on Apollo 11, and the first-man-on-the-moon hype. He could have had anything, high paying media jobs, high paying consulting jobs, he could have sat as a paid member on multiple corporate boards while doing nothing but playing golf with potential clients, he could have been a congressman, senator, governor, and even President. Instead, Armstrong walked away from NASA, taught collge for a few years, and ran his small farm. Cashing in on Apollo 11 was not an option for him because he didn't go to the moon alone, and that 400,000 people had busted their butts to get Apollo 11 to the moon, and back, so cashing in would have been disrespectful of their work.

Neil Armstrong is considered a hero not because he was the first man on the moon, but because he did his job, and resisted the temptations which followed. He was a man who lived by a code of ethics. This is something sorely missing today.

So how come both astronauts, Aldrin and Armstrong having been thoroughly trained in photography and in using the mechanically-adapted Hasselblads and as worn fitted against their chests, there is only one - very poor - picture taken of Armstrong by Aldrin?

Did Armstrong just choose to disassociate himself from the whole thing (see press conference), perhaps because of bitter disappointment of it being called off the last minute and having to go through a pantomime or because of personal integrity..?

 

[Vixen]

Yes I do. You have difficulty persuading people you're smarter than average.

I don't need to. I am myself.

 

[Smock]

I see we've reached the "Repeat" phase of "Rinse, Lather, Repeat" instructions.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

So how come both astronauts, Aldrin and Armstrong having been thoroughly trained in photography and in using the mechanically-adapted Hasselblads and as worn fitted against their chests, there is only one - very poor - picture taken of Armstrong by Aldrin?

Did Armstrong just choose to disassociate himself from the whole thing (see press conference), perhaps because of bitter disappointment of it being called off the last minute and having to go through a pantomime or because of personal integrity..?

Your suggestion is that Armstrong just grudgingly turned up for one quick photo on the moon and then went home in a huff. (After taking all the other photos which clearly weren't taken by Aldrin because he's in a bunch of them.)

That's the stupidest thing you've said on this whole page. So far.

 

[Smock]

Your suggestion is that Armstrong just grudgingly turned up for one quick photo on the moon and then went home in a huff. (After taking all the other photos which clearly weren't taken by Aldrin because he's in a bunch of them.)

That's the stupidest thing you've said on this whole page. So far.

Whole page? Yes (depending your your "Posts per Page" settings). Whole thread? Not so much.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

Whole page? Yes (depending your your "Posts per Page" settings). Whole thread? Not so much.

Heh. Yeah, that was the joke. It was also the first thing Vixen has posted on this page.

 

[Vixen]

Your lack of attention to detail is amazing. That original is not the original you imagine you are talking about. It's not the same mission.

The data tape which was presumed wiped for re-use was one from Apollo 11 in, of course, 1969. The video still, you failed to note, is from 1972.

The wiped telemetry data tape was one which included the Apollo 11 slow scan TV data radioed back from the moon before it was extracted and up-converted to NTSC for broadcast. That NTSC footage was recorded and is of course still available. Only the pre-conversion 10 frames per second version was lost. Later missions did not use a slow scan camera so they did not have an unconverted signal.

So what has the still from 1972 to do with Apollo 11?

 

[threadworm]

So how come both astronauts, Aldrin and Armstrong having been thoroughly trained in photography and in using the mechanically-adapted Hasselblads and as worn fitted against their chests, there is only one - very poor - picture taken of Armstrong by Aldrin?

You know full well that the cameras were detachable, and who took the photos. Photos like this:

https://flic.kr/p/zzPWnh

Did Armstrong just choose to disassociate himself from the whole thing (see press conference), perhaps because of bitter disappointment of it being called off the last minute and having to go through a pantomime or because of personal integrity..?

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Did you forget my questions again? You seem more interested in repeating the same opnioniated fallacy ridden garbage you puked already.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

So what has the still from 1972 to do with Apollo 11?

"Apollo"

Both are Apollo missions and both went to the moon and both extensively photographed themselves doing it. Which bit confuses you?

 

[threadworm]

So what has the still from 1972 to do with Apollo 11?

They were both taken on the moon.

Why are you avoiding answering the questions I asked?

 

[Vixen]

I see we've reached the "Repeat" phase of "Rinse, Lather, Repeat" instructions.

Your stock phrases are very boring.

 

[LondonJohn]

Maybe consider Myriad's overweening post in which he says he was some -3 sd guy's only friend because everyone else didn't get him. So now consider whether a hypothetical you or Myriad are up to 3sd below me intellectually. See the difficulty I have..?

"Mean sd" HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!

 

[Vixen]

"Apollo"

The thread is about Apollo 11.

 

[Foster Zygote]

Because it's official. As taught in schools. If people like LB Johnson, Nixon, Bush and Trump could not get away with some stuff, think of the stuff they did get away with. All they need do is rubber-stamp it and it becomes true.

So all the worlds scientists and engineers, for the last sixty years, have been too ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ stupid to notice the "scientific facts" you've presented are completely incompatible with the world's largest and best documented aerospace project simply because they've never bothered to question the authority of U.S. presidents, even those living in other countries, while you, who have gotten the vast majority of the "science" you've presented laughably wrong, are going to be the one to educate them about their lack of perception? I'm sorry, Vixen, but that's a laughable defense of your arguments. And make no mistake, your arguments are being laughed at.

Are you really under the impression that you aren't one of the forum cat toys, much less that anyone regards you as knowledgeable regarding these subjects about which you keep arguing? Again, I don't think the subjects themselves matter that much. It's about standing defiantly against some knowledgeable consensus so that you can play your role of being the clever outsider who shakes up everything with your peerless investigative skills, encyclopedic mental database and razor sharp intellect. In a few months or so, maybe a year, you'll start another thread in which you act out the same narrative regarding some other subject you've only just looked into, and it will go the same as all the previous ones.

 

[threadworm]

The thread is about Apollo 11.

I don't care.

 

[Axxman300]

Because it's official. As taught in schools. If people like LB Johnson, Nixon, Bush and Trump could not get away with some stuff, think of the stuff they did get away with. All they need do is rubber-stamp it and it becomes true.

Your constant use of strawmen would be dizzying if you were any good at this, but again you fail.

Forget the fact you've obivously never been to a library, or browesed the history section of a book store, the claim that: The President Did A,B.C proves that X,Y, and Z Happened" has always been the signiture of a lazy mind. It's the "Gorrillas went's discoverd until 1847, therefore Bigfoot is real" argument. Trump's actions are documented every day. The books on LBJ, and Nixon number in the thousands. Faking the moon landings was and is legistically impossible.

You consistantly demonstrate a belief in a world where conspiracies are conducted like cheesy 1970s spy movies. The real conspiracies happen right out in the open in broad daylight. Gulf of Tonkin? The press reported LBJ's account of the incident was not accurate, and was known by anyone paying attention in 1964. We were bombing Cambodia and Laos in 1964 and 1965, and our Thailand air crews mentioned this to a few interested reporters. It wasn't a secret, just not widely known until Nixon started carpet bombing in 1969, and that was because the North Vietnamese complained about it. Right now there is a lot of money about to vanish tied to A.I. stocks as margin mechanisms kick in. This is not a secret, just lost in the noise like all of those other historic events.

 

[JayUtah]

You say it's a still from the original but the original has been lost or wiped by NASA.

It comes from a contemporary copy. The other is a still photo. Quit stalling.

Please stop with the triple-niner and eidetic jibes.

Nope. I'm going to make fun of those claims every time your behavior makes it relevant to do so.

I only mentioned those to correct certain persons making out I was backward and suffering from a terminal illness.

You want to claim special superhuman abilities. Either live up to them or disavow them entirely. You're not the smartest or most capable person in the room, and any argument you make that seems to ask us to accept that you are as a premise will be addressed as appropriate.

 

[Reformed Offlian]

Amazing! "Hundreds of thousands who worked on the project" received a memo saying 'Keep, shtum! We have decided to use training pictures to beat the Soviets. Please do not tell anyone. Anyone caught splitting on us will be sent to Coventry. So there. Please eat and swallow this memo as soon as you have read it. Never breathe a word to anyone. Cross your fingers and hope to die. By order of the Management and President R Nixon'.

Was this supposed to make your premise seem *more* believable?

 

[JayUtah]

Nice attempt at changing the meaning of my words, quoting me out of context and putting words in my mouth.

For you and others it's a game of semantics but playing on words can never change a fundamental truth.

I understand. It goes to the heart of your core beliefs so I don't blame you for clinging onto them.

Nope.

You keep calling up the same straw man. And everyone calls you on it because it's an obvious straw man.