Apollo 11 Moon Landing Revisited: Hoax ~vs~ Debunk

[catsmate]

A lie is something that is intentionally untrue. If the average person believes something that is not true that is not 'lying through their teeth'. You could say it was outrageous blasphemy for C16 objectors to claim the priests were ripping off gullible parishioners when charging for 'indulgences' as a corollary. As has been said before, it only needs a small handful of people in highest government to keep something secret, not 'hundreds of thousands'. Simply label it 'classified'.

More strawmannery.

 

[Vixen]

It helps if you're smart enough to understand the articles and speak of their actual subjects.

I mentioned in passing the space stations were being developed to be used for docking and refuelling. Some time earlier I mentioned the plan to mine the ice-filled craters on the side of the Moon that has never had any sunlight in order to extract the water to use as fuel component. I trust you understand what type of fuel rockets run on...? And how it works...?

 

[Darat]

I mentioned in passing the space stations were being developed to be used for docking and refuelling. Some time earlier I mentioned the plan to mine the ice-filled craters on the side of the Moon that has never had any sunlight in order to extract the water to use as fuel component. I trust you understand what type of fuel rockets run on...? And how it works...?

Lie.

 

[catsmate]

I mentioned in passing the space stations were being developed to be used for docking and refuelling. Some time earlier I mentioned the plan to mine the ice-filled craters on the side of the Moon that has never had any sunlight in order to extract the water to use as fuel component.

No you didn't. You're lying again.

I trust you understand what type of fuel rockets run on...? And how it works...?

RP-1 for example? I've actually launched small rockets using DNTO and UDMH.

 

[LondonJohn]

Standard deviation in a normal population can be summed up thus: 68% will fall within +/- 1 sd, 95% within +/- 2 sd and 99.7% within +/- 3 sd. So, as Myriad points out, the majority of people get to bully the minority at either end. Hence the term 'mean' to not only mean average and majority, but also the nastiness that can go with it.

Yes Vixen, we know what standard deviation is and how it applies to a normal curve.

The question is what might possibly be meant by "mean sd". And any which way you try to wiggle, that term makes zero sense. As has been explained to you, the general term "+/- x sd" is shorthand for "+/- x sd away from the mean". And therefore "mean sd" would mean "mean sd away from the mean". Which obviously is bollocks.

What you should have written is either "0 sd" or "(the) mean". You cocked it up. Again. And once again you're pathologically determined not to admit to an error. It truly is pathetic to observe, and a fascinating case study.

 

[Andy_Ross]

It works like this. You read a few interesting articles in magazines and newspapers. Then, in conversation you mention it and add a link from perhaps wikipedia for those interested.

If you want to know about a subject, shouldn't a few magazine articles just be an introduction?
Something to just spark an interest?

 

[Andy_Ross]

I mentioned in passing the space stations were being developed to be used for docking and refuelling. Some time earlier I mentioned the plan to mine the ice-filled craters on the side of the Moon that has never had any sunlight in order to extract the water to use as fuel component. I trust you understand what type of fuel rockets run on...? And how it works...?

No, you specifically named the ISS as a refuelling stop.

 

[SpitfireIX]

Only the generals are in the war room.

Evasion noted. As has been explained to you repeatedly, lots of people who were actually working on the Apollo program would have had to have been in on any hoax, not just "the generals . . . in the war room."

 

[LondonJohn]

The premise they were on the surface of the Moon is yet to be established. Let's work out whether the landing as described by Aldrin is likely.

LMAO. The sheer pomposity and (gigantically misplaced) belief in one's own intellect and analytical abilities!

 

[Jack by the hedge]

So you're saying LBJ and Nixon just ordered everyone to keep quiet about the moon landings' being a hoax?

No, she's saying the Catholic church prevented the Protestant Reformation by keeping it a complete secret that they were selling indulgencies as a moneymaking scheme.

Well, that's what she appeared to be saying.

 

[SuperMurrio]

<snip>
Perhaps in future acknowledge I might be better informed than you.

I dunno, man, that's a bold claim from someone who didn't know the name of the 'third guy' 2 months ago.

Here's a convenient list of Vixen howlers:

• Armstrong & Aldrin and the third guy who stayed inside the capsule
• You'd think all three'd be given a camera then. Give Collins something to do whilst orbiting the Moon thirty times.
• how did the capsule manage to take off again, and in the right direction?
• the remit of Artemis II was to circumvent the moon
• There were 5,771 photos taken over a total of 4,834 minutes, over all six missions (excl. Rover photos) or one every 50 secs, according to Marcus Allen. The Hasselblad shutter speed is 1.5 sec, for the shutter to open and shut and auto-wind on to the next frame. Apollo 11 took 123 surface pics in 151 minutes does the maths work?
• geopositioned satellites
• telescopic lens
• the level of radiation and radioactivity involved in going to the Moon is a real health hazard
• The lunar sun had only just barely risen
• thin-walled aluminium capsule
• no tested way of bringing them back safely
• the Moon being 1/6th gravity of Earth does not mean a weight on your back is any less lighter
• 'rooster tails' is an effect of wind
• you'd go on a 250,000K trip to the Moon
• random variables that could affect the fixed variables
• Radio Luxembourg broadcasting from the North Sea
• you tend to sweat more and the increase in moisture registers on the ECG
• Venus, Mercury and Mars (the red one) albeit hundreds of thousands - if not millions - of miles away from each other
• NASA was a military agency and is now a public traded company 40% owned by Elon Musk
• the ISS in place for refuelling and docking
• Apollo 11 is likely classified until 2076
• ISS (space station) is still in development stage
• the astronauts on Artemis III had to be prised out by up to 150 guys.

 

[LondonJohn]

I'd forgotten a few of those! "Fixed variables" hahahahahaha!

 

[Jack by the hedge]

Only the generals are in the war room.

Yet somehow many more people become aware there is a war going on.

 

[Andy_Ross]

I trust you understand what type of fuel rockets run on...? And how it works...?

Gunpowder?

Ammonium perchlorate and aluminum powder?

Hydrazine, methanol and peroxide?

Coca cola and mentos?

Lots of things can be used.

It works by burning.

 

[LondonJohn]

Gunpowder?

Ammonium perchlorate and aluminum powder?

Hydrazine, methanol and peroxide?

Coca cola and mentos?

Lots of things can be used.

Exactly. And, for example, Orion uses a radically different mix of propellants from those used by Saturn V.

To write "I trust you understand what type of fuel rockets run on?" - implying some sort of generic "rocket fuel" - is thus a stupid and ill-informed question to ask. Chalk another one up to the triple-niner!

 

[Jack by the hedge]

No, it doesn't follow at all. All of the protocols were written in advance because there wasn't any internet or digital network such as a sat nav or GPS to follow. IOW all of the exact calculations had to be followed according to a cribsheet. So of course there are reams and reams of documents. They are written in advance.

And when the evidence in those designs and calculations in those reams and reams of document shows that the mission would have worked as intended, and their vast record film and photographs of the mission show it happening, and the independent tracking (which you ignored) showed that it did happen, we can fairly say that it really happened.

Which leaves you kinda up ◊◊◊◊ creek and flailing for something else to distract us from your inability to answer a really simple question .

 

[Jack by the hedge]

I mentioned in passing the space stations were being developed to be used for docking and refuelling. Some time earlier I mentioned the plan to mine the ice-filled craters on the side of the Moon that has never had any sunlight in order to extract the water to use as fuel component. I trust you understand what type of fuel rockets run on...? And how it works...?

You said we have the ISS for refuelling. It isn't for refuelling. The water you want to make fuel from is not anywhere usefully close to the ISS, or any other satellite in low earth orbit. It's on the moon.

How about those stars in the photos now?

 

[zooterkin]

I trust you understand what type of fuel rockets run on...?

Obvs.

 

[Carrot Flower King]

*Cough* Ellsberg and Ponting want a word*Cough*

And, as any fule kno, it would be an emperor in his war room (I trust Peter Hammill on this one far more than Vixen).

 

[steenkh]

Only the generals are in the war room.

Nixon ordered a cover up, but that didn't go well. I wonder why, considering there were only a few people in the war room.

You are talking of a scam that involved thousands of of people, nobody noticed, and nobody caved in and told the truth. That is an awesome power a president can wield just classifying some documents!