Apollo 11 Moon Landing Revisited: Hoax ~vs~ Debunk

[Vixen]

Do go on.
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Standard deviation in a normal population can be summed up thus: 68% will fall within +/- 1 sd, 95% within +/- 2 sd and 99.7% within +/- 3 sd. So, as Myriad points out, the majority of people get to bully the minority at either end. Hence the term 'mean' to not only mean average and majority, but also the nastiness that can go with it.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

No, it's to do with the topic. We've covered so far, the lighting, the stars, the radiation and the Nixon phone call.

Do you feel we've covered the stars, when everyone is still waiting for you to answer that one easy question?

 

[Vixen]

And in the video the second man to step on the moon describes it.

The "what do you notice" ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ is a lazy device that has infected social media of late. It's a way that the person posting can imply they have spotted something no-one else has, which means they are cleverer than everyone else. I'll make it simple: you haven't and you aren't.

Fair point. So, how plausible do you think it is that in order to land, they just need to switch off the engine and move the gearr stick around a little bit to avoid a massive crater? 'We only had 15 secs of fuel left' and then on lift off they had to use a pencil as one of the thrusts had broken off. OK, I am not saying it didn't happen but the idea the thing didn't topple over is touch and go.

 

[lionking]

Standard deviation in a normal population can be summed up thus: 68% will fall within +/- 1 sd, 95% within +/- 2 sd and 99.7% within +/- 3 sd. So, as Myriad points out, the majority of people get to bully the minority at either end. Hence the term 'mean' to not only mean average and majority, but also the nastiness that can go with it.

Oh for ◊◊◊◊’s sake, this “I am smart so I am credible” tactic of yours is fooling nobody here. To start with very few think you are as smart as you claim to be.

 

[Vixen]

Do you feel we've covered the stars, when everyone is still waiting for you to answer that one easy question?

The premise they were on the surface of the Moon is yet to be established. Let's work out whether the landing as described by Aldrin is likely.

 

[Vixen]

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[Jack by the hedge]

Fair point. So, how plausible do you think it is that in order to land, they just need to switch off the engine and move the gearr stick around a little bit to avoid a massive crater? 'We only had 15 secs of fuel left' and then on lift off they had to use a pencil as one of the thrusts had broken off. OK, I am not saying it didn't happen but the idea the thing didn't topple over is touch and go.

I'm going to assume the nonsense here is intentional as a distraction.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

The premise they were on the surface of the Moon is yet to be established. Let's work out whether the landing as described by Aldrin is likely.

It would not change the question, which you could have answered in fewer words.

 

[threadworm]

Fair point. So, how plausible do you think it is that in order to land, they just need to switch off the engine and move the gearr stick around a little bit to avoid a massive crater? 'We only had 15 secs of fuel left' and then on lift off they had to use a pencil as one of the thrusts had broken off. OK, I am not saying it didn't happen but the idea the thing didn't topple over is touch and go.

Given that this is what happened, very.

 

[Pixel42]

The premise that hundreds of thousands of people have been lying through their teeth about well documented and evidenced historical events for over 50 years has yet to be established. Let's work out whether that's likely.

 

[Vixen]

The premise that hundreds of thousands of people have been lying through their teeth about well documented and evidenced historical events for over 50 years has yet to be established. Let's work out whether that's likely.

A lie is something that is intentionally untrue. If the average person believes something that is not true that is not 'lying through their teeth'. You could say it was outrageous blasphemy for C16 objectors to claim the priests were ripping off gullible parishioners when charging for 'indulgences' as a corollary. As has been said before, it only needs a small handful of people in highest government to keep something secret, not 'hundreds of thousands'. Simply label it 'classified'.

 

[Mojo]

And in the video the second man to step on the moon describes it.

The "what do you notice" ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ is a lazy device that has infected social media of late. It's a way that the person posting can imply they have spotted something no-one else has, which means they are cleverer than everyone else. I'll make it simple: you haven't and you aren't.

It also means that when whatever it is they thought they had noticed turns out to be nonsense they can escape by saying they were Just Asking Questions.

 

[SpitfireIX]

A lie is something that is intentionally untrue. If the average person believes something that is not true that is not 'lying through their teeth'. You could say it was outrageous blasphemy for C16 objectors to claim the priests were ripping off gullible parishioners when charging for 'indulgences' as a corollary. As has been said before, it only needs a small handful of people in highest government to keep something secret, not 'hundreds of thousands'. Simply label it 'classified'.

So you're saying LBJ and Nixon just ordered everyone to keep quiet about the moon landings' being a hoax?

 

[steenkh]

No, it's to do with the topic. We've covered so far, the lighting, the stars, the radiation and the Nixon phone call.

All your arguments have failed miserably so far, and you won't admit it, so you want to proceed to the next miserably failing argument?

 

[threadworm]

Fair point. So, how plausible do you think it is that in order to land, they just need to switch off the engine and move the gearr stick around a little bit to avoid a massive crater? 'We only had 15 secs of fuel left' and then on lift off they had to use a pencil as one of the thrusts had broken off. OK, I am not saying it didn't happen but the idea the thing didn't topple over is touch and go.

While you assemble another argument from incredulity, let's pick this nonsense apart.

*They didn't need to switch off the engine in order to land, just throttle it back enough. The intention was to cut off the engine as soon as the contact probes registered, but in Apollo 11's case they left it a little late.

*The RCS system allowed them to manoeuvre the craft to a safe spot. Is it more credible to you that they should plummet straight down and hope for the best?

*They had safe margins of fuel. They needed to land before those safe margins were exceeded, which they did.

*A pencil wasn't used to mend the broken circuit, it was the metal part of a pen. Do you have any reason to think metal doesn't conduct electricity on the moon?

*A 4 legged structure has no reason to topple over on a level surface. There were safety margins built in. Other missions went close to those margins, but did not exceed them.

The 16mm footage taken during landing, stills from which were published at the time, show details on the surface that were not known in advance. Those details have been confirmed since. That's a fact, not conjecture.

 

[Mojo]

A lie is something that is intentionally untrue. If the average person believes something that is not true that is not 'lying through their teeth'. You could say it was outrageous blasphemy for C16 objectors to claim the priests were ripping off gullible parishioners when charging for 'indulgences' as a corollary. As has been said before, it only needs a small handful of people in highest government to keep something secret, not 'hundreds of thousands'. Simply label it 'classified'.

There is an enormous amount of available documentation of the Moon landings. If they didn't land, all of that documentation, produced by thousands of people, is lies. All the reports from independent observers tracking the mission are lies. It wouldn't be a question of just labeling some material as "classified".

 

[Mojo]

All your arguments have failed miserably so far, and you won't admit it, so you want to proceed to the next miserably failing argument?

Yes, and then when that fails, go back to the previous ones.

 

[Vixen]

So you're saying LBJ and Nixon just ordered everyone to keep quiet about the moon landings' being a hoax?

Only the generals are in the war room.

 

[Vixen]

There is an enormous amount of available documentation of the Moon landings. If they didn't land, all of that documentation, produced by thousands of people, is lies. All the reports from independent observers tracking the mission are lies. It wouldn't be a question of just labeling some material as "classified".

No, it doesn't follow at all. All of the protocols were written in advance because there wasn't any internet or digital network such as a sat nav or GPS to follow. IOW all of the exact calculations had to be followed according to a cribsheet. So of course there are reams and reams of documents. They are written in advance.

 

[catsmate]

It works like this. You read a few interesting articles in magazines and newspapers. Then, in conversation you mention it and add a link from perhaps wikipedia for those interested.

It helps if you're smart enough to understand the articles and speak of their actual subjects.