Apollo 11 Moon Landing Revisited: Hoax ~vs~ Debunk

[Jack by the hedge]

No, I am saying Nixon is not credible.

You think they could not really have set up a phone call for the White House to talk to the Apollo astronauts because "Nixon is not credible"?

That makes no sense at all. Is there perhaps a carer or somebody else there we could talk to?

The 'explanatory' stuff about having to do it v

v what?

I listened to that, too. The thrust was the poor quality.

Medium wave radio, coming from hundreds of miles away over the horizon by bouncing off the ionosphere, which only worked at night, and picked up by your "tiny transistor". In marked contrast to the direct line of sight transmissions from the moon picked up by the giant radio dishes of the Deep Space Network.

Which bit of these different technologies do you find hard to believe?

 

[Vixen]

Then why did you post such simplistic nonsense? Did you just assume no one here would know better? Even after all the times you've posted simplistic nonsense, and then had your arse handed to you by posters who knew better?

I was responding to WD Clinger who expressed his observations about various SAT scores and the sheer scarcity of various normal population characteristics away from the norm. So, IQ approximates to a normal distribution. As does height. Whilst it might be exceedingly rare to find, say men taller than 6'7", you'll find that such men, assuming they do not have a chromosonal abnormality, simply come from a family where being that height is normal for them. I am not sure WD Clinger studied psychology so I am not sure how you have decided he knows more about IQ than myself or that I had no idea how a normal distribution works.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

Nixon didn't dial the communication was already set up, all he did was pick up the reciver and talk.

What's that you say? Are you suggesting it was commonplace in days gone by for phone calls to be established by some kind of intermediary, a sort of "operator" if you will, and only then passed through to the parties who wished to talk?

What madness is this? Nixon is not credible enough to have known anything about that magic.

 

[Vixen]

Nixon didn't dial the communication was already set up, all he did was pick up the reciver and talk.

Whoooosh!

 

[Jack by the hedge]

I was responding to WD Clinger who expressed his observations about various SAT scores and the sheer scarcity of various normal population characteristics away from the norm. So, IQ approximates to a normal distribution. As does height. Whilst it might be exceedingly rare to find, say men taller than 6'7", you'll find that such men, assuming they do not have a chromosonal abnormality, simply come from a family where being that height is normal for them. I am not sure WD Clinger studied psychology so I am not sure how you have decided he knows more about IQ than myself or that I had no idea how a normal distribution works.

I have never studied psychology, and yet I can see an evasion, when its as blatant as that one.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

Whoooosh!

No. Not whoooosh. Not even a little bit whoooosh. There's not some dazzling insight in your posts that the peons are not grasping. You're just talking vague bollocks and handwaving when anyone tries to get you to explain.

 

[Vixen]

What's that you say? Are you suggesting it was commonplace in days gone by for phone calls to be established by some kind of intermediary, a sort of "operator" if you will, and only then passed through to the parties who wished to talk?

What madness is this? Nixon is not credible enough to have known anything about that magic.

I am pointing out the logical fallacy of the false premise. The false premise being, according to the topic title, that Apollo 11 was on the surface of the Moon. Therefore, the argument goes, 'Nixon made a phone call to the surface of the Moon!' is simply adding more and more to the desperation that this somehow proves 'it really happened'.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

Nixon absolutely did make a phone call to the moon.

Do you have some kind of mental block that makes you imagine a phone call is not real if there's a radio link involved? Do you think mobile phone calls are not phone calls? What is your problem here?

 

[Vixen]

I have never studied psychology, and yet I can see an evasion, when its as blatant as that one.

I have not evaded anything at all.

 

[threadworm]

Of course they managed to explain it.

Of course Nixon gave Buzz a buzz whilst he was prancing around collecting Moon rocks. Shee-eesh!

This, by the way, is the argument from incredulity fallacy

 

[Vixen]

Nixon absolutely did make a phone call to the moon.

Do you have some kind of mental block that makes you imagine a phone call is not real if there's a radio link involved? Do you think mobile phone calls are not phone calls? What is your problem here?

That presupposes (a) they were on the surface of the Moon, and (b) all Nixon had to do was to pick up his phone and all the magic radio rerouters and stuff via Houston would fix it for him so that that the guys were there at the right place and time to take his call. "Not now, mate, I'm busy!"

 

[Smock]

Artemis is not comparing like for like. For example, we have the ISS in place for refuelling and docking.

Good Lord, did you just confuse NASA's Artemis missions with the plot from Armageddon?

 

[Vixen]

This, by the way, is the argument from incredulity fallacy

You are the one asking us to suspend credulity that Nixon ringing up the guys on the Moon was all normal every day stuff. It just goes to prove why politicians get away with whatever they get away with.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

I have not evaded anything at all.

You replied to a post saying your claim that IQ "runs in families" is simplistic with a response which ignores that and talks about the normal distribution instead.

 

[Andy_Ross]

Nixon absolutely did make a phone call to the moon.

Do you have some kind of mental block that makes you imagine a phone call is not real if there's a radio link involved? Do you think mobile phone calls are not phone calls? What is your problem here?

All the way back to WW2

 

[Matthew Best]

I have not evaded anything at all.

Education.

 

[threadworm]

I am pointing out the logical fallacy of the false premise. The false premise being, according to the topic title, that Apollo 11 was on the surface of the Moon. Therefore, the argument goes, 'Nixon made a phone call to the surface of the Moon!' is simply adding more and more to the desperation that this somehow proves 'it really happened'.

The premise of the topic title is the relative merit of the two sides of the debate.

There is no merit in the idea that Nixon speaking to Apollo astronauts was not possible, there is no evidence that it didn't happen.

No-one is claiming that the landings happened because Nixon called them.

Got an answer to my two questions yet?

 

[Axxman300]

I am pointing out the logical fallacy of the false premise. The false premise being, according to the topic title, that Apollo 11 was on the surface of the Moon. Therefore, the argument goes, 'Nixon made a phone call to the surface of the Moon!' is simply adding more and more to the desperation that this somehow proves 'it really happened'.

You need to know you are now in the shallow end of the CT pool with the flat-earthers.

 

[Andy_Ross]

That presupposes (a) they were on the surface of the Moon, and (b) all Nixon had to do was to pick up his phone and all the magic radio rerouters and stuff via Houston would fix it for him so that that the guys were there at the right place and time to take his call. "Not now, mate, I'm busy!"

Because he just decided on the spur of the moment to call the moon without any preparation or scheduling beforehand.
I suppose the reporters were just there to film it by coincidence.

 

[threadworm]

I have not evaded anything at all.

Uh-huh...