Rolfe
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Let's just ignore the skin colours of everyone involved and concentrate on the behaviour of the police.
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The behaviour of UK police officers.
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Let's just ignore the skin colours of everyone involved and concentrate on the behaviour of the police.
Rolfe
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I think we discussed this case earlier - it happened about 18 months ago - but I hadn't realised the police had completely backed down and paid compensation.
www.theguardian.com
Parents ‘vindicated’ after police admit unlawful arrest over WhatsApp row
Hertfordshire police agree to pay £20,000 to Rosalind Levine and Maxie Allen, who were held for 11 hours after complaining about daughter’s school
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Indeed, anyone who rants about "remigration" is definitely in the far right.
Rolfe
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I thought as much. But the video speaks for itself, irrespective of who posted it. Don't shoot the messenger.
Rolfe
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This incident doesn't seem to have any racial undertones, but still another charmer I wouldn't like to see anywhere near law enforcement where I live.
"Filming" is a public order offence, apparently.
"Filming" is a public order offence, apparently.
Not since 1984 have I ever trusted the police accounts of their injuries and subsequent charges. I find it very funny especially from the older folk who have suddenly discovered the police are not lilly-white bedfellows.
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Rolfe
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I remember my friend, same age as me, getting very upset when I was describing the police misconduct in the Lockerbie case. Then, in what was for me a very unexpected development, she told me that when she was a child her mother had warned her that the police were not her friends and never to trust a policeman. This from a girl brought up in a very leafy upper-middle-class suburb of Glasgow and attending a private school in the 1960s.
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A selection of posts on the incident
The general opinion seems to be it's because it was a woman police officer.
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She did it because she is a small, dainty and scared female.
Untrustworthy, two-tier policy, British police SCUM !!
The police woman arrested the easy target which was the white guy on his own who had just been attacked by blacks. (It helps her kid herself she's competent). Meanwhile the blacks left laughing at how incompetent British policing is.
These White females know that feral ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ will murder them. This is why they attacked the White man.
Why did she attack the white lad and do nothing to the black thugs clearly attacking him?
Our “anti” BRITISH POLICE, forcefully funded by taxpayers, DESERVE ZERO RESPECT !!
Drop the charges. Fire every officer who was present, ban them from law enforcement permanently, and give them criminal records for their complicity.
Poor kids been charged with assaulting a police officer because the inept police woman cant do her job properly. Hope he takes them to the cleaners
In my opinion it may have been a frightened female officer going for the least threatening man, the mild westerner, out of cowardice.
The female officer’s swearing and aggressive approach reveal a clear lack of impulse control and professionalism
Another case of British police showing racist brutality against an innocent white man.
The full video shows his mistreatment continued with multiple officers swearing at him and forcing him into a police car
Anyone within the Birmingham Police Department who defended these corrupt officers should be fired and prosecuted alongside them
Arresting the non-Whites attacking him would require actual work, which she is unwilling to do:
The general opinion seems to be it's because it was a woman police officer.
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She did it because she is a small, dainty and scared female.
Untrustworthy, two-tier policy, British police SCUM !!
The police woman arrested the easy target which was the white guy on his own who had just been attacked by blacks. (It helps her kid herself she's competent). Meanwhile the blacks left laughing at how incompetent British policing is.
These White females know that feral ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ will murder them. This is why they attacked the White man.
Why did she attack the white lad and do nothing to the black thugs clearly attacking him?
Our “anti” BRITISH POLICE, forcefully funded by taxpayers, DESERVE ZERO RESPECT !!
Drop the charges. Fire every officer who was present, ban them from law enforcement permanently, and give them criminal records for their complicity.
Poor kids been charged with assaulting a police officer because the inept police woman cant do her job properly. Hope he takes them to the cleaners
In my opinion it may have been a frightened female officer going for the least threatening man, the mild westerner, out of cowardice.
The female officer’s swearing and aggressive approach reveal a clear lack of impulse control and professionalism
Another case of British police showing racist brutality against an innocent white man.
The full video shows his mistreatment continued with multiple officers swearing at him and forcing him into a police car
Anyone within the Birmingham Police Department who defended these corrupt officers should be fired and prosecuted alongside them
Arresting the non-Whites attacking him would require actual work, which she is unwilling to do:
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Rolfe
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Here's the full video of the incident, although the beginning is still the most interesting part.
I think it's important to try to get an idea of what the people in the video saw and experienced from their point of view, not obviously being aware of everything in the video.
The victim has absolutely no chance to realise that the second person who assaulted him was a police officer. He's being hazed by about three people, when a fourth person, dressed in black, suddenly runs in and pushes him to the ground. He scrambles to his feet (not so drunk he couldn't do that). He hasn't even completely regained his feet, and he's turned partly away from the approaching officer when she grabs him and slams him against the roller door.
In that last screen-shot you can see his right hand come up in self-defence. This is the actual "assault".
The victim's arm simply went around the policewoman's neck for maybe a second or two, and her hat was knocked off.
The policewoman ignored the actual attackers, who were closer to her than the victim. She actually pushed aside the woman with the silvery shoulder-bag, who may have been associated with the hazing group, to get at him.
I can see no way the victim could possibly have realised it was a police officer who was manhandling him at that point, and he probably thought it was still the same person who pushed him to the ground (who was actually running off, possibly having clocked the arrival of the police). When he did realise this was a police officer he offered no violence or resistance. At least in the Nowak case the police had the excuse that they were being actively misled by the Digwa brothers. This is simply senseless.
We can't know when the police arrived in relation to the fracas, but it was probably just before they rushed in, otherwise the assailants would have run off sooner. I can't see the slightest reason for the policewoman to single out the guy who had just been pushed to the ground, for her attentions. He was actually the furthest person from her when she began to run in. Why him? She then starts screaming "do not ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ watch this fight!". Duh?
I also can't condone her language, or that of other police officers involved. It was grossly unprofessional.
But the police authority thinks this was all "reasonable and proportionate" apparently.
This is a gross mischaracterisation of what happened. There was no fighting, just a verbal confrontation where a single victim was being hazed by a group, until the victim was pushed to the ground. Saying "an officer was punched" is also misleading - he was trying to throw a punch but it didn't connect. He also had no idea it was a police officer who was assaulting him when he threw that punch, it was self-defence.
Was race or colour even a factor? It was dark. Regardless of who was what colour, if everyone was white or everyone was black, it should be a huge concern and cause for disciplinary proceedings. Not identifying themselves as police was a major issue.
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Vixen
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I see. So the entire country has to focus on this one incident because it contains a small potty-mouthed policewoman who is too scared to nick the people she ought to have nicked, according to the guys over in Restore and Reform and X/'remigration'.
I think we should focus on the arrested guy's pie-crust hair do. Why do they do this?
Seriously, though, AFAICS he did assault her and she is trained to quickly ram him up against the wall (calling him, "sonny" is optional) in self defence.
We have no indication as to what the fracas was about yet we are told 'pie-crust'* guy is the victim of racism and two-tier policing, and as a bonus, a female copper, who as we all know is useless and should be at home in the kitchen.
*No offence intended to readers with this delightful hairstyle.
Rolfe
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If you're not interested, go do something else. Nobody is forcing you to "focus on" it.
She rammed him up against the roller doors before he flailed out with that "punch". Which he undoubtedly did because he thought she was the person who had pushed him to the ground seconds earlier. If that's what she's trained to do, to grab a man who is in the act of getting up from the ground, who had done nothing at all prior to that except be the victim of an assault, and slam him against the wall, then there is something very wrong with this training.
She rammed him up against the roller doors before he flailed out with that "punch". Which he undoubtedly did because he thought she was the person who had pushed him to the ground seconds earlier. If that's what she's trained to do, to grab a man who is in the act of getting up from the ground, who had done nothing at all prior to that except be the victim of an assault, and slam him against the wall, then there is something very wrong with this training.
You'd almost think they were cherry picking incidents to make a certain narrative..... One that we know from the actual statistics does not represent reality.
Our police forces are - to use that wonderful politician speak - not fit for purpose. I don't think they have ever been, allegations (often proved) of corruption and inequality in policing date back to shortly after the founding of the Met police service and they have never stopped.
Rolfe
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Two things can be true at the same time, you know. Police can be racist in the usual sense, while at the same time other police can be protecting non-white miscreants and homing in on white victims as the aggressors.
Rolfe
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It really disturbs me that it's mainly Reform politicians calling this out, but we are where we are.
"Birmingham Police’s ‘Race Action Plan’ tells officers not to ‘over-police’ black people. It says disparities in outcomes are problems ‘regardless of their causes’."
This goes well beyond the apparent aim of going soft on black offenders though. The policewoman barrels straight at the victim while he's still on the ground, ignoring - indeed brushing aside - the group of attackers. But the Birmingham police authority, having seen the exact same video we've seen, including her assault on the victim - carried out before the victim threw an inco-ordinated punch in her general direction - and her bullying manner and foul language, thinks it's all absolutely by the book.
It's very obvious, indeed, that the victim had no idea his second assailant was a police officer when he threw that punch, and immediately became submissive and respectful when he realised. Which didn't stop her continuing to manhandle him and swear at him.
"Birmingham Police’s ‘Race Action Plan’ tells officers not to ‘over-police’ black people. It says disparities in outcomes are problems ‘regardless of their causes’."
This goes well beyond the apparent aim of going soft on black offenders though. The policewoman barrels straight at the victim while he's still on the ground, ignoring - indeed brushing aside - the group of attackers. But the Birmingham police authority, having seen the exact same video we've seen, including her assault on the victim - carried out before the victim threw an inco-ordinated punch in her general direction - and her bullying manner and foul language, thinks it's all absolutely by the book.
It's very obvious, indeed, that the victim had no idea his second assailant was a police officer when he threw that punch, and immediately became submissive and respectful when he realised. Which didn't stop her continuing to manhandle him and swear at him.
Rolfe
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A bit more background. There was a police van parked on the kerb when that fracas began. The police officers were arresting a man for something completely unrelated, and putting him in the van. Start at 5 min 7 seconds.
At 5 min 28 seconds the aggressor WPC is still concentrating on the arrested man in the van. The cameraman then realises something is happening on the pavement and pans round to concentrate on that. Fifteen seconds later the WPC is barrelling into the victim. It's unclear at what point she realised a fracas was beginning on the pavement, because she's not on camera for that 15 seconds, but it's one hell of a fast turnaround.
It's highly likely the people on the pavement were aware of the police van, but knew the PCs were busy with someone else. The WPC ran straight from the van at the victim, taking no time to assess the situation and not announcing her presence.
Given the amount of aggression on display from many parties in that half-hour video, the meek demeanour of the victim in the incident in question is legit remarkable.
At 5 min 28 seconds the aggressor WPC is still concentrating on the arrested man in the van. The cameraman then realises something is happening on the pavement and pans round to concentrate on that. Fifteen seconds later the WPC is barrelling into the victim. It's unclear at what point she realised a fracas was beginning on the pavement, because she's not on camera for that 15 seconds, but it's one hell of a fast turnaround.
It's highly likely the people on the pavement were aware of the police van, but knew the PCs were busy with someone else. The WPC ran straight from the van at the victim, taking no time to assess the situation and not announcing her presence.
Given the amount of aggression on display from many parties in that half-hour video, the meek demeanour of the victim in the incident in question is legit remarkable.
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Yet that does not show up in the statistics.
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