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delphi_ote

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Has anyone else seen this 9/11 conspiracy theory "documentary?" A friend asked me to watch it, and it's making me so angry I can't say anything intelligible about it. We're going to be stuck forever with people denying this tragedy just like we're stuck with people denying the Holocaust.

It's all over google video. Just type in "Loose Change" if you hate your brain.

ETA: http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=Loose+Change
 
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*sigh*

Did anything like this happen with Pearl Harbor? I know there were a few theories, but mostly it seems to be only one or two little factoids left now. I dunno, though. I'm not real good with history. I wonder if there's a parallel between 9/11 and Pearl Harbor in the development of conspiracy theories.

If so, then the relatively uncommon nature of Pearl Harbor CTs today could be taken as a good sign that this too will fade :)
 
Has anyone else seen this 9/11 conspiracy theory "documentary?" A friend asked me to watch it, and it's making me so angry I can't say anything intelligible about it. We're going to be stuck forever with people denying this tragedy just like we're stuck with people denying the Holocaust.

It's all over google video. Just type in "Loose Change" if you hate your brain.
I haven't watched it. Is it that Alex Jones video? I had a guy trying to convince me to watch some Alex Jones video, but at the time I flat out refused because of some of the blatantly specious stuff he was quoting from it.

I guess I'll have to watch it now that it's all over Google video so I can tear it apart next time someone tells me I just have to see this thing.
 
I know I should watch this, if only so I can respond if somebody was to bring it up in conversation, but I do have a bit of a temper and this is an event I'm still trying to deal with. I fear if I watch it I will have a very unhealthy reaction.
 
I couldn't continue watching it after the 2nd missile theory was hatched. A missile launched milliseconds before impact strikes me as absurdly unnecessary considering the fully fueled monstrosity that's right behind it. I'm expecting my brother to e-mail this one any day now.
 
So the guys that made this were apparently students doing a film project.
Dylan Avery, Korey Rowe and Jason Bermas. Phil Jayhan apparently has some connection with them, too.

This is madness of epic proportions.

Why would anybody want to investigate the three, wonderful young men (Korey Rowe, Dylan Avery, and Jason Bermas) who created Loose Change?

The reason is that the criminal network that staged the 9/11 attack may be promoting Loose Change in order to push aside more important people and videos.

From the criminal's point of view, there is a big advantage to promoting Loose Change rather than somebody like myself. The main advantage would be to create the illusion that they are exposing corruption.
 
One of the first claims in the video is that people used their advanced knowledge of the attacks to profit on United. Looks like that claim is false.

Highly publicized allegations of insider trading in advance of 9/11 generally rest on reports of unusual pre-9/11 trading activity in companies whose stock plummeted after the attacks. Some unusual trading did in fact occur, but each such trade proved to have an innocuous explanation. For example, the volume of put options — instruments that pay off only when a stock drops in price — surged in the parent companies of United Airlines on September 6 and American Airlines on September 10 — highly suspicious trading on its face. Yet, further investigation has revealed that the trading had no connection with 9/11. A single U.S.-based institutional investor with no conceivable ties to al Qaeda purchased 95 percent of the UAL puts on September 6 as part of a trading strategy that also included buying 115,000 shares of American on September 10. Similarly, much of the seemingly suspicious trading in American on September 10 was traced to a specific U.S.-based options trading newsletter, faxed to its subscribers on Sunday, September 9, which recommended these trades. The SEC and FBI, aided by other agencies and the securities industry, devoted enormous resources to investigating this issue, including securing the cooperation of many foreign governments. These investigators have found that the apparently suspicious consistently proved innocuous.
 
One of the first claims in the video is that people used their advanced knowledge of the attacks to profit on United. Looks like that claim is false.
Delphi_ote What are your beliefs of the 9/11 attack? Could you tell me anything that happend with the election in Florida? I didn't watch the whole video, however i do wanna point something out New York to me is the weakest defending city in the U.S. that has a lot of $$$!!!
 
Delphi_ote What are your beliefs of the 9/11 attack?

I believe in Bush the President, Leader of Texas and America, and in Dick Cheney, His evil partner conceived by the 9/11 tragedy, born of the spinmeister Rove, suffered under Osama Bin Laden was elected, stupid, and incompitent. The towers mysteriously fell; the third day He rose again to make a speech He ascended into The White House and sits at the right hand of Donald Rumsfeld, the Father Almighty From thence He will judge the living and the dead. I believe in the 9/11 missile attacks The planes not found The complicity of the CIA The free fall of the towers The destruction with explosives And the conspiracy everlasting Amen.
 
I believe in Bush the President, Leader of Texas and America, and in Dick Cheney, His evil partner conceived by the 9/11 tragedy, born of the spinmeister Rove, suffered under Osama Bin Laden was elected, stupid, and incompitent. The towers mysteriously fell; the third day He rose again to make a speech He ascended into The White House and sits at the right hand of Donald Rumsfeld, the Father Almighty From thence He will judge the living and the dead. I believe in the 9/11 missile attacks The planes not found The complicity of the CIA The free fall of the towers The destruction with explosives And the conspiracy everlasting Amen.
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They should change the name from "Loose Change" to "Loose Marbles!"
 
Pls inform me as to who THEY are pls lol.
Why the evil-doer’s… purveyors of all things conspiratorial. Their names are cloaked in secrecy, but can be revealed for a small fee. May I direct you to the nearest money drop?
 
OMG you believe in the Anit-Christ. He's not the person in charge of Texas or the U.S. In fact he lost the votes in Texas, they have planted that in peoples brains so when they think about it winning was possible cause Texas is so big. To win Fl. which was trickery and planned, not by genius but by power, money and destruction. He only takes orders like a puppet, a robot. when I see him on tv his eyes look so cold.
 
I had a conversation with one of my room mates about this movie last night. I think I disabused him of believing in the movie, but he still seems stuck on the free fall idea. Does anyone have one really good link debunking that myth? Something a realtor would understand?
 
I had a conversation with one of my room mates about this movie last night. I think I disabused him of believing in the movie, but he still seems stuck on the free fall idea. Does anyone have one really good link debunking that myth? Something a realtor would understand?
Any picture or video of either of the collapsing building should suffice -- much of the outer structure was split off from the building during the collapse and did indeed fall at free-fall speeds. A picture clearly shows such pieces below the place where they fell off and a video shows them falling more quickly than the building itself.
 
Any picture or video of either of the collapsing building should suffice -- much of the outer structure was split off from the building during the collapse and did indeed fall at free-fall speeds. A picture clearly shows such pieces below the place where they fell off and a video shows them falling more quickly than the building itself.

Good point. Thanks, manny.

Just a note, the point that seemed to convince my roomie the most was the "think of how many people would have to be involved to cover this up" argument. Coupled with "who would do this" and "why would anyone do this" I could tell he started to be a bit more critical of the film.
 
*sigh*

Did anything like this happen with Pearl Harbor? I know there were a few theories, but mostly it seems to be only one or two little factoids left now. I dunno, though. I'm not real good with history. I wonder if there's a parallel between 9/11 and Pearl Harbor in the development of conspiracy theories.

If so, then the relatively uncommon nature of Pearl Harbor CTs today could be taken as a good sign that this too will fade :)

This is more on the scope of the Lunar Landing Hoax conspiracy theories. Vast army of government agents all working together to pull off a hoax and keeping quiet about it forever.
 
This is more on the scope of the Lunar Landing Hoax conspiracy theories. Vast army of government agents all working together to pull off a hoax and keeping quiet about it forever.

But this is an order of magnitude more absurd. We all watched the (rule 8)ing building collapse on our TVs. Hundreds of thousands, maybe millions of people's lives were directly impacted by the events. Thousands of lives were ended and two wars were fought as a result of this event. It happened right in the middle of one of the biggest cities in the world, not far out in orbit. Faking this would have taken thousands of people and billions of dollars. Nobody would have the motivation to do this, either. I could see faking the moon landing maybe to psych out the USSR or something. The motivation behind this 9/11 conspiracy is so murky and absurd. To collect insurance money? To make returns on investments? To justify military action?

It's madness. That this video is starting to catch on around college campuses really makes me worry about the future of our country.
 
Just a note, the point that seemed to convince my roomie the most was the "think of how many people would have to be involved to cover this up" argument.
I don't get how anyone gets past that argument. With the moon landing, a true CTer can at least say, "yeah, but all those people worked for the government or its contractors-- they were in on it, too!" Here, we're talking about hundreds or thousands of people who didn't work for the government (or if they did, not for the conspirators -- the worked for the city government, for example). And many of them died. How could one sneak explosive charges, say, past the building staff who subsequently died because they stayed in the buildings after the attacks to help people escape?
 
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