Apollo 11 Moon Landing Revisited: Hoax ~vs~ Debunk

[Jack by the hedge]

As I pointed out right from the start. The length of day has no bearing on strength of light in terms of the angle of the Sun in relation to the horizon. Whilst the sun's heat is extremely hot on the Moon, on the other hand the parts still in shadow are extremely cold and very pitch black.

We are all reading the same thread. We saw what you wrote.

The point about the intensity of sunlight being different near the horizon pertains to the lack of atmosphere. Telling us it does not pertain to the length of the day is about as useful as telling us it does not pertain to the price of fish.

And I see you're still trying to make yourself appear not to be wrong about your pitch black claim, but you're now trying a qualified "very" pitch black rather than the absolute you started with. Funny.

 

[Axxman300]

Do they have to wear flight suits forever now?

Man, if I was a NASA astronaut you couldn't get me out of my flight suit.

 

[JayUtah]

The length of day has no bearing on strength of light in terms of the angle of the Sun in relation to the horizon.

Correct. For the purposes of photographic illumination you get full sun at 15º just as you get full sun at 90º. How far apart those are is irrelevant.

Whilst the sun's heat is extremely hot on the Moon...

Heat and temperature are irrelevant to the question of photographic illumination.

...on the other hand the parts still in shadow are extremely cold and very pitch black.

The parts still in shadow are on the ground. The stars are in the sky.

There is no reason to expect to see stars in the Apollo photos.

 

[Reformed Offlian]

Radiation risk is surely a bigger one than 'germs'. In any case, meteorites and asteroids from space frequently hit the earth.

That didn't answer my question. Let me rephrase: what is supposed to be suspicious about the absence of extensive decontamination procedures in the Apollo recovery footage? Why would such procedures be expected if the moon missions were real?

 

[threadworm]

Radiation risk is surely a bigger one than 'germs'. In any case, meteorites and asteroids from space frequently hit the earth.

In the specific example of Apollo 11, why?

 

[Reformed Offlian]

The Artemis II crew aren't stripped and redressed. As for radiation, I would have thought that was as big - if not more - a health concern for the individuals involved. Remember, two of the astronauts had been prancing about on the Moon.

Why would that be a major concern?

 

[JayUtah]

Radiation risk is surely a bigger one than 'germs'.

After splashdown the risk of radiation is nil.

As for radiation, I would have thought that was as big - if not more - a health concern for the individuals involved.

You would be wrong.

Remember, two of the astronauts had been prancing about on the Moon.

Which irradiates them slightly more than they would have received had they remained on Earth. They do not become radioactive as a result, or a danger in any way to anyone else. There is nothing the recovery crew need worry or do about it. The astronauts are not radiologically contaminated, nor is there any reason to think they would be.

 

[Steve]

That's exactly why very early lunar morning was chosen. Any other time would have seen extremes of temperature in which their blood would have boiled or, conversely, frozen solid. But the direction of light isn't affected by heat. So the angle of sunlight on the Moon is exactly the same as on the Earth; i.e., 15° on the Earth is 15° on the Moon, or on Mars or on Planet X. (Assuming a perfect globe, ceteris paribus.)

 

[JayUtah]

Any other time would have seen extremes of temperature in which their blood would have boiled or, conversely, frozen solid.

NASA provided special garments called "space suits" to prevent this from happening.

But the direction of light isn't affected by heat.

Neither heat nor temperature is relevant to the question of illumination for the purposes of photography. Apollo photography occurred in full sun with the cameras set accordingly. You should not expect to see stars in those photos.

So the angle of sunlight on the Moon is exactly the same as on the Earth; i.e., 15° on the Earth is 15° on the Moon, or on Mars or on Planet X. (Assuming a perfect globe, ceteris paribus.)

Correct, and as I showed you, you use daylight camera settings when the sun is at 15º in all those circumstances.

Marcus Allen is empirically disproven in any or all of a dozen ways. Your claim to have reproduced his findings yourself is not supported by all this ignorant handwaving.

 

[JayUtah]

A typo is a typo. We all make them.

My engineers do not. My accountants certainly do not. You make far too many "typos" for people in my line of work.

 

[JayUtah]

It seems to me, they are trying to make it look as close to the Apollo recoveries as possible.

NB: Please note, this is a proposition for debating purposes.

Meaningful debate can occur only among properly informed parties. You are not included in that. Your opinion of what space operations "are trying to look like" is not relevant.

 

[JayUtah]

Do they have to wear flight suits forever now?

Yes. The blue flight suit is the official uniform for NASA astronauts during training, daily activities, and public appearances.

 

[W.D.Clinger]

@Vixen tells the wind, brook, and waves to get off her turf:

...the wind does not blow, whisper, howl or cry; the brook doesn't babble and nor do the waves spume.

 

[Reformed Offlian]

Searing and Hellish.

Sounds like the name of a law firm.

"If you've been exposed to deadly space radiation at work, we can help you get the compensation you deserve. Call Searing & Hellish today, and tell NASA that you.mean.BUSINESS."

 

[Andy_Ross]

Yes. The blue flight suit is the official uniform for NASA astronauts during training, daily activities, and public appearances.

A smart blazer with a nice badge would be nicer for public appearances in my opinion.
But, it's not my decision.

 

[Vixen]

We are all reading the same thread. We saw what you wrote.

The point about the intensity of sunlight being different near the horizon pertains to the lack of atmosphere. Telling us it does not pertain to the length of the day is about as useful as telling us it does not pertain to the price of fish.

And I see you're still trying to make yourself appear not to be wrong about your pitch black claim, but you're now trying a qualified "very" pitch black rather than the absolute you started with. Funny.

'Pitch black' is an absolute. 'Very pitch black' was hyperbole to bring this home. A Quora source confirms this is the situation in the Moon shade.

 

[JayUtah]

A smart blazer with a nice badge would be nicer for public appearances in my opinion.
But, it's not my decision.

NASA not being a fully uniformed service, I'm sure that would be acceptable in appropriate circumstances. I doubt astronauts would dress in blue coveralls to meet King Charles, for example.

 

[Vixen]

That didn't answer my question. Let me rephrase: what is supposed to be suspicious about the absence of extensive decontamination procedures in the Apollo recovery footage? Why would such procedures be expected if the moon missions were real?

Fussing about 'germs' doesn't sound serious; it's rather like your mum sprinkling Dettol in the bath...because of.... 'germs'.

 

[JayUtah]

'Pitch black' is an absolute. 'Very pitch black' was hyperbole to bring this home. A Quora source confirms this is the situation in the Moon shade.

"Wiki says..."
"A Quora source confirms..."

You refuse to cite to your sources. Maybe that's because it's obvious they're talking about the ground. You should be looking up, not down, if you expect to see stars.

 

[Vixen]

In the specific example of Apollo 11, why?

They went through up to 20,000 miles of extreme radiation aka the Van Allen belts in a thin-walled aluminium spacecraft, and also stepped on a highly irradiated Moon surface. It is a wonder they lived to a ripe old age, with Aldrin still going strong in his 90's.