Apollo 11 Moon Landing Revisited: Hoax ~vs~ Debunk

[Reformed Offlian]

Valiant attempts to demonstrate the nature of some of the misapprehensions you appear to be laboring under
!= insults.

I hear there's a school somewhere where it's taught that "!=" is shorthand for "definitely, emphatically the same thing".

 

[EHocking]

So the Hasselblad had three settings marked in red that they could select. It is only sunlight on the horizon. It is not 'harsh' at 27°F, which is why they chose that time.

No. This is not why this time and day of the lunar cycle was chosen. It was chosen because, with the sun low on the horizon (10 to 15°) , the sun cast long, sharp shadows which helped Armstrong see lunar surface terrain such as craters and rocks, to enable him to find and land at a safe site at the Sea of Tranquility.

During lunar daytime the temperature hits >250°F (120°C)

You do know that this refers to surface temperature, don't you? Not "air" temperature?

and nighttime -350°F (-185°C).

Irrelevant, since A11 astronauts were never on the moon surface at "night time" - even if the sky was black.

If people in Europe start dropping off at 45°C, you'll appreciate they would have been there when the sun was minimal but just warm enough. So, it should have been easy enough to set it to aim the lens at the sky, or at least try.

During Apollo 11, the surface temperature was between -23°C and 7°C (-9°F and 45°F). Not that extreme.
Not that surface, or event ambient, temperature has anything to do with taking a photo of the lunar day time sky . . .

 

[Foster Zygote]

Venus, Mercury and Mars (the red one) albeit hundreds of thousands - if not millions - of miles away from each other in reality...

By the way, the closest Mars ever gets to earth is about 60,000,000 miles. Venus never gets closer to earth than about 24,000,000 miles. And Jupiter's closest approach to earth is about 393,000,000 miles. When you try to sound informed about astronomy and refer to planets being "hundreds of thousands of miles" from each other it's unintentionally hilarious to those of us who have spent a lifetime studying the subject.

 

[Foster Zygote]

No. This is not why this time and day of the lunar cycle was chosen. It was chosen because, with the sun low on the horizon (10 to 15°) , the sun cast long, sharp shadows which helped Armstrong see lunar surface terrain such as craters and rocks, to enable him to find and land at a safe site at the Sea of Tranquility.

You do know that this refers to surface temperature, don't you? Not "air" temperature?

Irrelevant, since A11 astronauts were never on the moon surface at "night time" - even if the sky was black.

During Apollo 11, the surface temperature was between -23°C and 7°C (-9°F and 45°F). Not that extreme.
Not that surface, or event ambient, temperature has anything to do with taking a photo of the lunar day time sky . . .

It's also worth noting that the lunar regolith is a poor thermal conductor.

 

[Mojo]

Millions of Brits and Europeans are aware that the words "thousand" and "million" mean the same thing in the UK as in the Americas.

But some Europeans (well, at least one) think minutes and seconds are interchangeable.

 

[Mojo]

I hear there's a school somewhere...

Middlesex?

 

[SteveAitch]

...

The television camera used on Apollo 11, when adjusted for daylight exposure, could not register stars. As you are well aware, that is beyond the dynamic range of any camera.

A bit late and a slight digression, but...

In one of Arthur C. Clarke's novels set on the Moon, a news crew is videoing something or other (it's a while since I read it and can't remember much detail) who have a special switch on the camera (the Star Switch?) which does some technological wizardry to add in the stars which, as explained above (several) times would otherwise not be seen, because the not particularly savvy audience expect them to be there.

Right, back to explaining bicycles to a fish...

 

[threadworm]

If you can identify the planets' positions relative to each other, including the Moon and Earth (might be useful to note the Sun's aspect [which we presume we know anyway]). These aspects can then be timed and dated quite precisely. One would hope it matches the date and time of the Moon landing.

As has been pointed put to you, Venus is exactly where it should be in the Apollo 14 and 16 surface photos where it has been captured. I

Saturn, Jupiter and Mars are also exactly where they should be in cislunar/lunar orbital photographs. Jupiter can be shown to move exactly as it should between photography sessions in lunar orbit.

Another very bright celestial object can also be seen in lunar surface TV and still photography exactly where it should be and showing the exact details it should for the specific time and date of the images. Can you guess which one that was?

 

[JesseCuster]

I said 'hundreds of thousands if not millions' to allow for the fact Brits and Americans don't always mean the same thing!

This is gibberish.

“Hundreds of thousands of miles” means the same thing in Britain and America.

Please explain how “hundreds of thousands of miles” could mean millions of miles depending on whether you’re British or American.

 

[Mojo]

This is gibberish.

“Hundreds of thousands of miles” means the same thing in Britain and America.

Please explain how “hundreds of thousands of miles” could mean millions of miles depending on whether you’re British or American.

Split Thread Thread 'Conspiracy theories about unconventional usage of notation'

Dec 24, 2022

A bit like:

• a ship can float on its side once it lists over its centre of buoyance: just like Herald of Free Enterprise! (Actually, resting on a bank!)
• A ship's cannonball in Nelson's day 'cannot have travelled at 900mph'!
• an EPIRB has to be switched on by one of the Captain's mates before it works!
• You can't use base sixty notation for hours, minutes and seconds!
• a bow visor will fall off if hit by a strong wave!
• a ship 155m long will sink with no trace within 0.35' because all of the windows on the listed side will have smashed thus letting in water...

• Steve
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• Forum: Conspiracies and Conspiracy Theories

 

[zooterkin]

I said 'hundreds of thousands if not millions' to allow for the fact Brits and Americans don't always mean the same thing!

If you're referring to different values for 'billion' (which is not the same as hundreds, thousands or millions), that stopped being the case in 1975.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

Following on from threadworm's puzzle, here's a navigation pro tip: If your photos don't include any celestial bodies except the earth and the moon it is still possible to partially determine your position.

When the moon is the dusty surface under your boots and the earth is a small object in the sky, you are on the moon and not in the Arizona desert.

 

[catsmate]

The sun was15 degrees above the horizon as has been posted several times.
Exactly what was at the temperatures you quote and what does it have to do with the light?

It's pretty obvious from the photos too where the sun was.

 

[SuperMurrio]

I said 'hundreds of thousands if not millions' to allow for the fact Brits and Americans don't always mean the same thing!

Exactly, that's why a 'number person' would always use clear unambiguous notation like 0.35' and 250,000K.

 

[Vixen]

By the way, the closest Mars ever gets to earth is about 60,000,000 miles. Venus never gets closer to earth than about 24,000,000 miles. And Jupiter's closest approach to earth is about 393,000,000 miles. When you try to sound informed about astronomy and refer to planets being "hundreds of thousands of miles" from each other it's unintentionally hilarious to those of us who have spent a lifetime studying the subject.

Er, did you not see the word, 'millions'?

 

[Vixen]

She does, and that's why we can hear hideous cackling coming from her direction, under that bridge over there ...

YAWN. Here comes the misogyny.

 

[catsmate]

Any schoolkid knows that the closest the inner plants get to each other is in the order of tens of millions of kilometers. Planets in the solar system never get remotely close to being within the order of hundreds of thousands of miles from each other.

You’re probably the only person reading this thread who doesn’t know this, you haven’t the vaguest idea of the scale of the solar system.

It is an extraordinarily stupid and ignorant statement, indicative of gross ignorance.

 

[catsmate]

I said 'hundreds of thousands if not millions' to allow for the fact Brits and Americans don't always mean the same thing!

A typically puerile attempt at distracting from your ignorance.

 

[Vixen]

SCENE: US hinterlands July 1969

<sfx screen door slams, dogs bark>

BUBBA: Honey, I'm home!

WIFE: Gee, how was it, dear?

BUBBA: Wait till you see my Moon snaps!

WIFE: Did you get the stars? You know, Hun, whenever I see the Big Dipper, I think of you..or maybe the Little Dip-

BUBBA: Are you mad?! You know that li'l ol' flag I sent off for..?

WIFE: - the one for five bucks? 'Translucent in the light of the Moon..?'

BUBBA: Yup! I took a snap of it from every which way angle!!! Easiest million bucks I ever earned...!

<sfx strains of a background male voice choir, 'O say can you see by the dawn's early light...' salutes>

 

[JesseCuster]

Er, did you not see the word, 'millions'?

It’s the “hundreds of thousands of miles” that people are questioning. “Hundreds of thousands” does not mean millions, and never has, in either Britain or America.

So how is “hundreds of thousands of miles” meant to make anything clearer to American or British readers? Remember, it’s your claim that the reason you referred to distance of millions of miles as “hundreds of thousands of miles” was to make it understandable to Americans or British. How does this make any sense at all?