Merged (edited) General thoughts about Christianity and the bible

[JayUtah]

You call that a reliable source?

We know he actually existed and said the things attributed to him because we have objective contemporary records of it. It's reasonable to consider him an expert on lying to masses since he demonstrated a clear ability to do so and explained how he did it. He was also a consummately evil person, but that doesn't change the other facts.

 

[Foster Zygote]

Interesting question.

That would be the end of all things as we know them.
When God to restore everything. (as promised)

Acts 3:21 NIV
Heaven must receive him until the time comes for God to restore everything,
as he promised long ago through his holy prophets.

Were you home schooled?

Just curious.

 

[Foster Zygote]

You call that a reliable source?

Yes, because he proved himself to be an expert in getting huge numbers of people to believe utter lies. He knew what he was talking about. The fact that he was a piece of ◊◊◊◊ doesn't make him wrong when he was talking honestly about doing ◊◊◊◊◊◊ things.

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

It's a measurably oblate spheroid. I do engineering where the oblateness matters.

And I do conversations, where obtuseness doesn't matter.

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

You can't deny it seems to work.

More like "people surrender to it." Too easily.

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

The answer to your question can be found in your bible.

You missed spelled "babble".

 

[W.D.Clinger]

Numbers 20:11 NIV
Then Moses raised his arm and struck the rock twice with his staff. Water gushed out, and the community and their livestock drank.

Psalms 137:9 (English Standard Version):

Blessed shall he be who takes your little ones​

and dashes them against the rock!​

 

[Dave Rogers]

If you want to talk to skeptics about your religion, maybe don't lead with all the koo-koo-bonkers parts.

That's a problem if there aren't any other parts.

Dave

 

[theprestige]

You're under the impression that Peter wrote 2 Peter?

Authorship of the Petrine epistles - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

You don't understand: We know Moses is real, because Paul attests to him. We know Paul is real because Peter attests to Paul. We know Peter is real because God attests to Peter. And we know God is real because Rusty attests to God.

 

[JayUtah]

That's a problem if there aren't any other parts.

Sure, but why jump right into the miracles? Does it really matter whether any of those actually happened? Even most people who revere Moses are happy with his role as a lawgiver. They don't need the water from the rock or the Noah's ark story or sawing a lady in half.

I can read the Sermon on the Mount and recognize self-evident truth and good advice: Be humble, comfort each other, be curious, be merciful, be honest, build bridges, etc. I don't have to believe that Jesus was divine, the son of God, or that he even existed to appreciate the wisdom in that essay. Those are just good ways to get along with people. You can learn them from any number of secular sources too, but the point is that they're in the Bible and I wouldn't call them koo-koo-bananas.

Similarly the Book of Mormon is mostly tedious garbage. But it teaches such things as continuous improvement. Yes you can get those same lessons easier from other sources. But it's in there. Along with a lot of koo-koo-bananas other claims, of course.

 

[P.J. Denyer]

Walt Disney personally wrote Frozen. It says his name right there on the box.

Who knows Frozen better?

 

[Myriad]

The Apostle Paul used a myth to make a point.
This begs the question about other POTENTIAL myths stated as fact in the New Testament.

There were two rocks that gave water for the Israelites at both ends of their wanderings in the wilderness.
The myth is that both of these rocks were the same rock. Paul says this rock was Christ.

What do you know about this?

Shouldn't Peter be the authority on the spiritual importance of rocks?

Although, Crystal Dawn down at the New Age shop has her own ideas. If you let us know which of your chakras is troubling you, she can recommend the best healing stone(s).

 

[Joe Random]

These threads are kind of like watching Bobcat Goldthwait trying to do ASMR.

 

[Rusty Tyler]

You're under the impression that Peter wrote 2 Peter?

It acceptable to credit Peter in Christians circles.
Thanks for the link though.
I feel the same way about the Gospel accounts.
Many of the NT books were an oral tradition
before they were written down.

2 Peter 1:1-2 NIV
Simon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ,
To those who through the righteousness of our God and Savior
Jesus Christ have received a faith as precious as ours:
2 Grace and peace be yours in abundance through
the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord.

 

[Rusty Tyler]

Were you home schooled?

No.
They tried to indoctrinate me at public school.
But they did a terrible job. - LOL

 

[Rusty Tyler]

It is far more ridiculous to believe such stories are factual records of actual historical events.

We have genealogies from Adam to Jesus.
Are those fictitious people with fictional lives?

 

[JayUtah]

We have genealogies from Adam to Jesus.

No, you have claims of genealogies and the lists of people differ in each.

Are those fictitious people with fictional lives?

Probably, since they don't agree. You still haven't figured out that a story is not the same as proof that the story is true. You keep tripping up on this very fundamental concept.

 

[Dave Rogers]

We have genealogies from Adam to Jesus.
Are those fictitious people with fictional lives?

We have genealogies from Isuldur to Aragorn. Are these fictitious people with fictional lives?

Dave

 

[Pixel42]

We have genealogies from Adam to Jesus.
Are those fictitious people with fictional lives?

Yes.

 

[JayUtah]

No.
They tried to indoctrinate me at public school.
But they did a terrible job. - LOL

Indeed, you seem woefully ignorant of many things outside your religion (and not a few of them in it). Perhaps that is not a good position from which to attack people who listened more carefully in school.