Merged (edited) General thoughts about Christianity and the bible

[Rusty Tyler]

The Apostle Paul used a myth to make a point.
This begs the question about other POTENTIAL myths stated as fact in the New Testament.

There were two rocks that gave water for the Israelites at both ends of their wanderings in the wilderness.
The myth is that both of these rocks were the same rock. Paul says this rock was Christ.

What do you know about this?

1 Corinthians 10:4 NIV
and drank the same spiritual drink; for they drank from the spiritual rock that accompanied them, and that rock was Christ.

Numbers 20:11 NIV
Then Moses raised his arm and struck the rock twice with his staff. Water gushed out, and the community and their livestock drank.

Ellicott's Commentary for English Readers
(4) That spiritual Rock that followed them.—There was a Jewish tradition that the Rock—i.e., a fragment broken off from the rock smitten by Moses—followed the Israelites through their journey, and St. Paul, for the purpose of illustration, adopts that account instead of the statement in Numbers 20:11. The emphatic repetition of the word “spiritual” before “drink” and “rock” reminds the reader that it is the spiritual and not the historic aspect of the fact which is present to St. Paul’s mind. The traditional account of the Rock was a more complete illustration of the abiding presence of God, which was the point that the Apostle here desires to bring forward.

 

[Rusty Tyler]

No. That's another fictional story.

If you assume that miracles cannot happen.

I suppose you wanted peer-reviewed scientific papers to prove the event? - LOL

Were there miracles before peer-reviewed scientific papers? (even after)

 

[Darat]

How would the water have been contained in a flat earth model?
The depth was over the top of the tallest mountains.

It's in your bible look it up.

 

[catsmate]

If you assume that miracles cannot happen.

Of course they can't

I suppose you wanted peer-reviewed scientific papers to prove the event? - LOL

We're still waiting to see you evidence of even one miracle.

Were there miracles before peer-reviewed scientific papers? (even after)

Stop the childish nonsense.

 

[catsmate]

Oh good grief. More fairy tales spam.

 

[Carrot Flower King]

OK, so where do Muddy Waters and The Temptations fit in?

And how long is it since you did the stroll? Has it been a long time, been a long time been a long, lonely, lonely tiiiiiime?

I can do this for ages...

 

[Darat]

The water-rock in the desert is a good one - check how many Israelites there are meant to be and then work out how long it would take them all to have a drink from a single source.

 

[Gulliver Foyle]

There is a subset of Christians that think atheists don't disbelieve in god but willfully deny god "because". This is why they think atheists must really be Satanists and other such nonsense. They can't get their heads around the idea that it is simply a lack of belief in any gods.

It's been a staple of christian leaders using fake historys to generate authority so that they can sell stuff, going back as far as CS Lewis.

 

[Gulliver Foyle]

The Apostle Paul used a myth to make a point.
This begs the question about other POTENTIAL myths stated as fact in the New Testament.

There were two rocks that gave water for the Israelites at both ends of their wanderings in the wilderness.
The myth is that both of these rocks were the same rock. Paul says this rock was Christ.

What do you know about this?

1 Corinthians 10:4 NIV
and drank the same spiritual drink; for they drank from the spiritual rock that accompanied them, and that rock was Christ.

Numbers 20:11 NIV
Then Moses raised his arm and struck the rock twice with his staff. Water gushed out, and the community and their livestock drank.

Ellicott's Commentary for English Readers
(4) That spiritual Rock that followed them.—There was a Jewish tradition that the Rock—i.e., a fragment broken off from the rock smitten by Moses—followed the Israelites through their journey, and St. Paul, for the purpose of illustration, adopts that account instead of the statement in Numbers 20:11. The emphatic repetition of the word “spiritual” before “drink” and “rock” reminds the reader that it is the spiritual and not the historic aspect of the fact which is present to St. Paul’s mind. The traditional account of the Rock was a more complete illustration of the abiding presence of God, which was the point that the Apostle here desires to bring forward.

Everything the four Pauls wrote was mythological. Firstly the "original" Paul admitted that he was basing theology from his imaginings and thereafter the three pseudo-Pauls made up letters to justify what was the then dominant version of christianity.

 

[Gulliver Foyle]

Worthy to be reported in the Bible then.

The Israelites crossed the Red Sea too.
Which wasn't Moses' idea.

What you think every Big Lie* should be reported in the bible?

*TM Joseph Goebbels.

 

[Carrot Flower King]

How does it feel, to be without a home, to be a complete unknown? To be on your own, with no direction home?

 

[Rusty Tyler]

It's in your bible look it up.

What do you mean "Look it up." ???
We know the earth is a sphere, correct?
Or perhaps you believe in a flat earth?

 

[Rusty Tyler]

We're still waiting to see you evidence of even one miracle.

I suppose you want peer-reviewed scientific papers to prove the event? - LOL

Ridiculous.

You have such a narrow view.

 

[Rusty Tyler]

What you think every Big Lie* should be reported in the bible?

*TM Joseph Goebbels.

You call that a reliable source?

 

[Rusty Tyler]

The water-rock in the dessert is a good one - check how many Israelites there are meant to be and then work out how long it would take them all to have a drink from a single source.

Realistically, there were other water sources in between. (nothing news-worthy)
And they probably filled up at the first rock.

But that is beside the point here.

 

[Rusty Tyler]

Everything the four Pauls wrote was mythological. Firstly the "original" Paul admitted that he was basing theology from his imaginings and thereafter the three pseudo-Pauls made up letters to justify what was the then dominant version of christianity.

Why didn't Peter call him out as a fraud?

2 Peter 3:15-16 NIVv
Bear in mind that our Lord’s patience means salvation,
just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him.
16 He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters.
His letters contain some things that are hard to understand,
which ignorant and unstable people distort,
as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.

 

[Carrot Flower King]

And what happens when all is one and one is all, to be a rock, but not to roll?

Tell me that!

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Worthy to be reported in the Bible then.

The Israelites crossed the Red Sea too.
Which wasn't Moses' idea.

It was his idea to hit the rock with a stick. (Yep, the instructions were to wave his staff over the rock.) He took his entire tribe into the desert and walked around a peninsula for forty years. The Sinai can be walked entirely in less than two years at a casual pace, visually inspecting the surrounding terrain, including the methaphorical exit from said desert.

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

That might depend on the faith. I mean, some get gold statures and gargoyles and red shoes and a whole lot of pomp.

I thought that was a Queen concert.

 

[Rusty Tyler]

And what happens when all is one and one is all, to be a rock, but not to roll?

Tell me that!

Interesting question.

That would be the end of all things as we know them.
When God to restore everything. (as promised)

Acts 3:21 NIV
Heaven must receive him until the time comes for God to restore everything,
as he promised long ago through his holy prophets.