...and on the other hand, orthodox christians celebrate christmas on January 7 so no problem with theWould befunniermore suggestive, but a gestation of 268 days until christmas is a little short. 277 days from march 23th is even better
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Merged (edited) General thoughts about Christianity and the bible
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P.J. Denyer
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Dancers at your local club?
SpuriusMaximus
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Many do use their own non-canon fanfic as canon, yeah. Especially "shippers". (Folks who "ship" -- as in relationSHIP -- various characters. Like, say, imagining that Obi Wan was Anakin's gay lover.) For those, yes, you are correct.
And yes, that includes a disturbing majority of Jesus fanboys' head-canon. Especially those who haven't even read the source material. (Which seems to be most Christians, sad to say.)
I tend to be the of the Old Star Wars Testament idea that if it doesn't happen in a canon work, it doesn't matter, and you can't appeal to fan-fic to override canon.
(Mind you, I'm NOT using "fanfic" as a derogatory term. There are some great fanfic stories out there. Professional author quality. Just saying that if it ain't canon, it ain't canon, and that's that.)
alfaniner
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I'd like to think their group performing name is "The Power Converters".
W.D.Clinger
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I enjoyed that movie.
Although it made a much stronger case for strategy and planning than for grace.
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Gawdzilla Sama
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Okay. "Caution: Human! May contain traces of nuts."*States facts not in Evidence...
Bettah?
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OK, OK, I may have dragged my nuts over them. Whoever is concerned... Bite me!
No, wait, just nibble gently
Gawdzilla Sama
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Right to the baiter end, mate.
I'm more of a Lovecraft person. Which means public domain and an original author who, essentially, wanted other writers to have fun with his world. Canon is a pretty nebulous concept in that environment.
And as far as I understand, Star Wars "canon" is essentially in the hands of rich people in board rooms. Now that's dire.
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Nope.
Completely irrelevant question if there is no god, and there's no sign gods exist, so.
No idea what this even means. Are you asking if we should be good and forgiving even if we don't believe in or worship a vengeful and tyrannical Bronze age god? Uhm, yeah, sure, we should.
Gawdzilla Sama
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Me? "Once upon a midnight weary..."
Gawdzilla Sama
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He means "throw our propaganda at them endlessly, carelessly, and thoughtlessly."
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Well, I mean, each IP owner has the right to do whatever they want, and set whatever conditions they want on their IP. If the IP owner says it's canon (specifically, or implied through the rules they set,) it's canon, and that's that. Doesn't really change my point that I'll base my judgment on whether it's canon or not.
To get back to it, though, IIRC no major sect declared Xianity to be free for all fanfic works. I mean, hell, the RCC even had the BIBLE on its index of forbidden books
To get back to it, though, IIRC no major sect declared Xianity to be free for all fanfic works. I mean, hell, the RCC even had the BIBLE on its index of forbidden books
P.J. Denyer
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Perhaps Rusty's mixed up "God" and "Sat Nav", for without sat nav much of mankind is truly lost.
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I mean, yeah, look at Moses. He relied on God for directions and ended up going in circles in the desert for 40 years.
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Well, the anti-plaque toothpaste, flossing and inter-dental brushes haven't worked perfectly, so I need help...
From Grace the Hygienist, who I'm spending 45 minutes with tomorrow morning.
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Also, speaking of grace or lack there of, according to Paul, God punished the Romans, and specifically their women, for idolatry by making them gay, or probably just bi. I'm not making it up.
I mean, crikey mate, what kind of punishment is that? If I were a woman and the punishment was getting some pussy too and enjoying it, SIGN ME UP. I'll get the biggest idol collection in the world. A whole flippin' museum, even
I mean, crikey mate, what kind of punishment is that? If I were a woman and the punishment was getting some pussy too and enjoying it, SIGN ME UP. I'll get the biggest idol collection in the world. A whole flippin' museum, even
JayUtah
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No. We found something far more reliable for understanding the universe than superstitious sectarian nonsense.
What you mean by grace is not likely to be what anyone here means by it.
This is the Protestant religious definition of grace. It matters only if you believe in Protestant Christianity. People who don't believe they are in need of that kind of saving have no need or use for the concept.
Now you seem to be equivocating. If by "we" you mean anyone other than God extending it, then you're talking about a different meaning of grace.
Atheists and skeptics most certainly believe in the kind of grace that has nothing to do with God. Instead of focusing on one's supposed duty to God, it focuses on a duty toward humankind based solely on human dignity, and other concepts such as preservation and stewardship of shared resources. Rather than harmony with some imaginary supreme being, secular grace seeks for harmony among ordinary fellow beings. Secular grace embodies such ideals as the recognition of universal human frailty and suffering and consequent remedies such as humans exercising practical forgiveness and forbearance. Specifically as practiced here, secular grace redeems people from flawed thinking that could end up causing harm or hardship. This is what we mean by grace, and—in your religion—the only kind of grace that anyone but God could extend.
Protestant grace is just circular reasoning on bended knee. It's something only God can give, so the notion of you or anyone else extending it is equivocal. Far from being a "free gift of God," it must be earned through faith, which supposedly inures one to the influence of gods who work good works in that person and lead them away from sin. But both the accusation of depravity and the hope of redemption come from the religion. It's requiring of you something as the only solution to a problem it tells you that you have. Sounds like a power grab to me.
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