Merged (edited) General thoughts about Christianity and the bible

[Gulliver Foyle]

Technically, Step One of Kalam is "Everything that begins to exist must have a creator". This is how they weasel out of the hard conclusions.

No that's just a later addition once they realised the argument falls flat on its face.

 

[The Norseman]

Georgina Tropicana was your girlfriend too?

Yes! Thank you for providing more evidence for her love than for GOD's love! She truly loved each and every one of us (as long as we dropped a few dollars in her 'collection plate'.)

 

[SteveAitch]

Setting aside the (massive) issues of structural physics with the supposed Ark for a moment, thinking that the central point of the Ark story (taking 2 of each animal) could result in a repopulated Earth would require ignoring the effects of inbreeding beyond levels that Anne Rice and V.C. Andrews could ever dream of.

IIRC it was seven of most animals and two of certain others.

Ah, I mis-remembered (there's a surprise!), it was seven pairs of clean animals and one pair of unclean ones.

 

[erwinl]

We'd all look like the past living Hapsburg.

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And to quote Tricky from way back, "you couldn't fit two of every animal on the ark if you froze and stacked them".

How about freeze drying them?
That way they won’t take up so much space. Not much more than the bones really.

You only have to take care to not get them wet while on the boat, as they would then swell and maybe even split the sides of the ark and sink it.

Like what Hornblower encountered in his early days, when he tried to sail the captured French vessel, filled with rice, to England. As described in the history books by CS Forester.

 

[Gulliver Foyle]

Another one is "suffer".
"Suffer the little children to come unto me.", Jesus said.

What few people know is that the original meaning of suffer was "let god loose many rabid bears upon".

 

[arthwollipot]

It's not a peer-edited research paper?

That would be a "no", then. Would you like to learn why? It'll be fun and interesting, and you'll know something you didn't know yesteday.

 

[SteveAitch]

That would be a "no", then. Would you like to learn why? It'll be fun and interesting, and you'll know something you didn't know yesteday.

and forget by tomorrow?

 

[Gulliver Foyle]

Have you seen this one?

What Was Found in Noah’s Ark site Changes Everything​

What researchers just pulled out of the ground at the Noah's Ark site in eastern Turkey is forcing scientists to rewrite what they thought they knew. Beneath the Durupinar formation, eight feet down, the scans are revealing something no one was prepared to see. Not stone. Not erosion. Not the natural accident every textbook has called it for sixty years. The shapes appearing on the radar match the dimensions of an ancient text written thousands of years before the technology to find them existed. And what came up next from inside the formation is the part that changes everything.

No, but I've seen plenty of actual archaeologists debunk that nonsense.

Ferexample:

 

[Gulliver Foyle]

What's unreasonable about a scientific group researching the possibility of Noah's Ark found on Mt. Ararat?

Because there's no possibility of the fictional ark being on Mt Ararat. For one thing, the current Ararat only got named that after Armenia gurned christian. For another, as Jay Utah said just above you, the ark is an engineering impossibility as a seagoing vessel.

PS no scientist has investigated the Durupinar rock formation. Plenty of scammers have though.

 

[Gulliver Foyle]

Yes! Thank you for providing more evidence for her love than for GOD's love! She truly loved each and every one of us (as long as we dropped a few dollars in her 'collection plate'.)

I used ta love her once.

 

[P.J. Denyer]

That would be a "no", then. Would you like to learn why? It'll be fun and interesting, and you'll know something you didn't know yesteday.

It's been covered and he didn't.

 

[P.J. Denyer]

IIRC it was seven of most animals and two of certain others.

Ah, I mis-remembered (there's a surprise!), it was seven pairs of clean animals and one pair of unclean ones.

Not that it discounts the point (and makes the logistical problems seven times worse).


Honestly though it stuns me when people who are (supposedly) adults still believe fairy stories like this, I went to a Church School and while NT Christianity was treated as fact no-one was expected to actually believe in Noah's Ark by the time they stopped writing to Santa. I suspect if anyone had once they were in junior school the school would have been having a worried conversation with the parents.

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Good thing that Edison didn't give up on the light bulb.

But he did "give up" on the Cottingly Fairies. For overwhelmingly good reasons.

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

BUT! "We have pictures of the Ark!" https://arkencounter.com/

 

[Rusty Tyler]

You have no idea whether the secular researchers were derelict or careless.

I was told that they ONLY looked at the site. (no research)
Seems generous to call that research. (non-event)

 

[Steve]

Likening God to a "Canadian girlfriend" seems pretty spot on.

So I married my god???

 

[zooterkin]

I used ta love her once.

But it's all over now?

 

[sinnikal]

I was told that they ONLY looked at the site. (no research)
Seems generous to call that research. (non-event)

These guys always talk sooo fast. And it's always ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ nonsense allegories.

 

[P.J. Denyer]

I was told that they ONLY looked at the site. (no research)
Seems generous to call that research. (non-event)

You were 'told' and you uncritically accept anything that fits your dogma.

 

[SpuriusMaximus]

I might have mentioned it before, but the ark would have also needed fish tanks for all the fish in the sea and probably most squid and jellyfish too. The reason is that rain water does not contain salt. Enough water to go past the tops of the tallest mountains (presumably Everest) would dilute the sea to the point of killing most things that live in the sea by osmotic pressure exploding their cells. And some of those tanks would have to be pressurised to match the ones living, say, in the Mariana Trench.

And actually, come to think of it, better include river fish as well, since in the first days of the flood the influx of sea water would be lethal to a lot of those.

And you can't just release them all afterwards and let them find their way back. You have to go put them where you found them.

Plus, how would that work even for animals? You can't just release a giant panda and let it find its way back to China, because those barely move. Or good luck letting a koala find its way back to Australia

And note how none of that needs any fancy science to think about. It's just stuff that is around. You can go to the local zoo to see a panda.