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Ed Israel/US Attacks Iran /Yet Another Country/Iran

Peace deal going well. Three days away from a deal he said yesterday.

President Donald Trump has accused Iran of shooting down a US helicopter near the Strait of Hormuz and vowed to respond to the attack our of "necessity".

Two crew members of the Apache helicopter that crashed following the attack were rescued by an American sea drone, US officials confirmed to the BBC.

"There were two pilots involved, both are safe and uninjured," the president wrote on Truth Social. "Nevertheless, the United States must, of necessity, respond to this attack."

www.bbc.co.uk

US and Iran exchange fire after American patrol helicopter downed in Hormuz

President Donald Trump earlier accused Iran of shooting down the US helicopter over the Strait of Hormuz and vowed to respond.
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Donald J. Trump
@realDonald Trump
I have just been informed by our Great Military that last night the Iranians shot down one of our highly sophisticated Apache Helicopters while patrolling over the Strait of Hormuz. There were two pilots involved, both are safe and uninjured. Nevertheless, the United States must, of necessity, respond to this attack. Thank you for your attention to this matter! President DONALD J. TRUMP
 
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Ziggurat said:
Do you even understand my question? Because your response isn't an answer.
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You asked by what metric the US appeared to be losing. And once again the US seems to have gone in, assumed that bombing a country and destroying its infrastructure will make them capitulate quickly and then 'win'
And once again it seems to be sinking into a quagmire that is going to massive damage to the country they attacked with the end result being an even more hostile nation for no actual gain.

But sure, maybe this time will be different.
 
Lukraak_Sisser said:
You asked by what metric the US appeared to be losing.
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I did. Your post isn't an answer.
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And once again the US seems to have gone in
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Gone in?

We aren't in Iran.
Lukraak_Sisser said:
But sure, maybe this time will be different.
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It is different. Our goals and methods are different. Our enemy's goals and methods are different. One obvious example (but far from the only difference) is that we don't have boots on the ground. Those differences don't mean that we will win, but they do mean that you need to examine this conflict on its own terms, not on the terms of past conflicts with very different dynamics.

So what's the metric? You haven't said. You cannot substitute the metric from a different conflict for this one.
 
Lukraak_Sisser said:
You asked by what metric the US appeared to be losing. And once again the US seems to have gone in, assumed that bombing a country and destroying its infrastructure will make them capitulate quickly and then 'win'
And once again it seems to be sinking into a quagmire that is going to massive damage to the country they attacked with the end result being an even more hostile nation for no actual gain.

But sure, maybe this time will be different.
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Haven't you been listening to Trump? The USA has "won" every two days since this nowar began. And they will continue to "win" far into the future. The simplistic win or lose viewpoint is all Trump sycophants can understand. They have no real concept of what actually happened in the countries you named.
 
Ziggurat said:
I did. Your post isn't an answer.

Gone in?

We aren't in Iran.

It is different. Our goals and methods are different. Our enemy's goals and methods are different. One obvious example (but far from the only difference) is that we don't have boots on the ground. Those differences don't mean that we will win, but they do mean that you need to examine this conflict on its own terms, not on the terms of past conflicts with very different dynamics.

So what's the metric? You haven't said. You cannot substitute the metric from a different conflict for this one.
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What goals?
Stopping the imaginary nuclear weapons? Those have been stopped several times by Trump and yet keep appearing when it is convenient.
Protecting the world from Iranian agression? Up until Trump started his operation Epstein Fury Iran was not blocking the Hormuz strait, and it's clear the US is incapable of preventing Iran from doing so.
Supporting the Iranian protesters that seemed to finally be making some progress in cracking the regime? Those protests have vanished and and US help will be poison to those that seek outside aid now.
Making the Middle East safer? Again there is no evidence this has had any positive effect.

So yeah, from those not in the MAGA bubble this was is a pointless and costly loss to the US.
 
Ziggurat said:
I did. Your post isn't an answer.

Gone in?

We aren't in Iran.

It is different. Our goals and methods are different. Our enemy's goals and methods are different. One obvious example (but far from the only difference) is that we don't have boots on the ground. Those differences don't mean that we will win, but they do mean that you need to examine this conflict on its own terms, not on the terms of past conflicts with very different dynamics.

So what's the metric? You haven't said. You cannot substitute the metric from a different conflict for this one.
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Donald doesn't know what the war is for or how to get out of it.
 
Is there ever a deal?

Sen. Dave McCormick: "We don't know whether there is an actual path to a deal. I assume there is. I think the president is probably closing in on what he thinks is a good deal."

Video in link
 
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