Dutchman
Scholar
I think it's worth trying out. Can you arrange for eight billion red and blue buttons with supporting infrastructure on short notice?
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Button Poll #2: Only those with normal cognitive capacity are given buttons.
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Reformed Offlian
Illuminator
They should absolutely complain; it is ridiculous and evil to force people to make such a choice. And it is also completely appropriate to deplore that, faced with that choice, so many people opted to make pressing the blue button a capital offence simply to save their own skins.
Red voters, similarly, should not "whine" when people call them out as selfish, callous, cowardly, and even evil for making such a choice. Nor should they "whine" when the less immediate consequences of their decision come home to roost, such as there being no rescue workers left in the world when their town floods, or having their kids die because they voted blue.
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Dutchman
Scholar
Which people? The dead ones?
Reformed Offlian
Illuminator
You were the one who posited blue voters' "whining" if they didn't get the numbers. You tell me.Which people? The dead ones?
Dutchman
Scholar
Te choice was forced upon us by Emily's Cat in the OP. Don't blame me for that. And pressing the blue button is not a capital offence. The blue pushers are not punished, they just die. As living things have to do, like I said before.
Dutchman
Scholar
Oh yeah, that. Briefly whining, then. And then die
Reformed Offlian
Illuminator
If you vote red, you vote to make pressing blue a capital offense. That only happens if enough people vote red.
Dutchman
Scholar
"Capital Offense" implies accusations, prosecutions, trials, juries, appeals and ultimately execution. None of these apply, except perhaps the execution. So far, the exact mechanics of the blue deaths have not been explained. I heard Microsoft is very curious about that one too.
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Reformed Offlian
Illuminator
The OP doesn't specify the latency period. For all you know, they have three months to realize what you did to them and react accordingly.
Thermal
August Member
And what happens if voters sing a few bars of Alice's Restaurant and walk out? It'd be a movement.
Dutchman
Scholar
Or 80 years. That would sure solve a lot of problems if it also applied to the blue death latency
Dutchman
Scholar
Anyway, I usually don't engage in conversations here, but this thread had a weirdness that I could not resist. I hope I helped getting it a little bit weirder still. But for now I will be busy elsewhere, maybe pop by in a couple of days. [Back to lurking mode]
Reformed Offlian
Illuminator
"Capital Offense" connotes an action that you can be killed for committing. In this case, pressing a blue button.
Rolfe
Adult human female
I still genuinely wonder what the voting spread would be if you had only one button. Instructions are, everyone (adult of normal cognitive capacity) has the choice to press this button or not. If you choose not to, nothing will happen to you. For those who choose to press it, you will die unless over 50% of those who have been offered this choice also choose to press it.
Framing is everything, and I strongly suspect you'd get very few takers for this framing, even though it's the same as the OP.
Framing is everything, and I strongly suspect you'd get very few takers for this framing, even though it's the same as the OP.
Rolfe
Adult human female
See, that's pretty much the short train of thought that led to my pressing blue on the Twitter poll within seconds of reading it. Then I actually thought about it.
Dutchman
Scholar
Not "be killed". Just dying.
Thermal
August Member
Right, it took you a while to realize the game theory involved. We saw it on first reading. Then we applied practicalities, and decided on Blue. You applied practicalities and said "◊◊◊◊ 'em, I like mass graves and global meltdowns. To each his own paradise, eh?
Rolfe
Adult human female
No, I said, this is not as simple as it looks, and I doubt the likelihood of a majority choosing blue when they actually think about it. I hope nobody chooses blue when they actually think about it. But I am not volunteering to walk off the cliff.
Thermal
August Member
Good to see you, and don't be shy. This *is* a weird one and really interesting in a goofy way.
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Emily's Cat
Rarely prone to hissy-fits
Oh FFS, you're enamored of the scent of your own flatulence. Seriously, Blues have been called dumb maybe a handful of time. You on the other hand, have repeatedly called Red cowards, killers, and said they want Blues (corrected from Red) to die. At least have the intestinal fortitude to own your poor behavior.
You know, you just keep making assumptions that imply negative character.
What have I asked of you? Don't call those who voted red in *this* scenario killers. Make a distinction between declining to risk one's own life to save another when safety is not guaranteed and actually killing someone. Consider that avoiding a risk that truly and completely does not need to be taken isn't a bad thing. That's what I've asked of you.
How about a bit of a challenge: steelman the red position. Not well poisoning, not question begging, not insinuating insult within it. Actually steelman the position.
Because I don't think you get it at all, and I don't believe you actually do understand the red position. On the other hand, I'm fairly confident that I do understand the blue position, and I even respect it.
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