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Merged (edited) General thoughts about Christianity and the bible

I agree partially.
Written by men? Yes.
Men who made up stories? No. You don't apply that questioning to your ancient texts.
Why not? As if men don't make up stories? They do now and they did then. Do you think humans two to six thousand years ago didn't write fiction? That fictional stories are only a new phenomenon? Did the events in the movies Saving Private Ryan or Titanic happen? How about Abraham Lincoln Vampire Hunter?
 
Comparing the campfire stories and fairy tales to real history.
Creation myths, camels, Noah's ark, the supposed flood, David’s Scribe, the life of Paul, the day Jesus was executed, the death of Judas, the supposed Roman census, the Exodus wandering, the size of kingdom of Judah, and many, many, many, more.
It's almost ironic that we have more collaborating evidence for some of the stuff in the hebrew bible than we have for events in the new testament which according to what christians tell other christians is the most historic of texts.

Isn't it astonishing that when the dead rose in Jerusalem nobody ever mentioned it in contemporary accounts?

Matthew 27:52-28:20

52 and the tombs broke open. The bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life. 53 They came out of the tombs after Jesus’ resurrection and[a] went into the holy city and appeared to many people.​
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54 When the centurion and those with him who were guarding Jesus saw the earthquake and all that had happened, they were terrified, and exclaimed, “Surely he was the Son of God!”​

Nah such an everyday occurrence no one at the time thought to write it down and it was never mentioned again....
 
Paul (Saul) had a personal relationship with Christ which began on the road to Damascus.
In the same sense that Joseph Smith had a personal relationship with the angel Moroni. In the same sense that Remy the rat had a personal relationship with the deceased Chef Gusteau.

From an historical perspective, the whole thing breaks down the moment Paul starts having conversations with a dead man. He may as well have claimed to have ridden to the moon on a winged snake.
 
Based on what?
Two simple trains of thought:

1. God is wholly imaginary. Whether it be in the Bible or in the thoughts of believers, every instance of God is simply a made-up story. And I can easily dismiss made-up stories as 100% not real (e.g. Dracula).

2. The very concept of God is an impossibility. Believers don't simply want a creator or an omnipotent deity. What they really want is salvation from their existential anxieties, but such salvation is impossible. No heavenly theme park of immortal bliss is going to change the fact that existence is meaningless.
 
What was written in the Gospels was based on the oral tradition of eye-witness accounts.
So was a lot of Herodotus' The Histories, which is a great example of 'another ancent work we'd approach with such skepticism.' It's a mixed bag of a pretty good attempt at historical and present (at the time) inquiry, and borderline ethnography. One big difference from the NT is that we have a lot of contemporary examples of how others recieved (and criticised) the work.

But it's a similar case of something a skeptic can enjoy if you go through it and research and find 'that's true, that's true, that's maybe true, that's interesting, that's a straight up fabrication, that's true, that might be a garbled version of a similar thing that's true, that's obviously a myth' and so on.
 
Just a note you do need to distinguish between biblical/ancient hebrew and present day Hebrew.
Yes, modern Hebrew differs in grammar and usage from biblical Hebrew. And while there is a cursive form of Hebrew, neither modern nor ancient has minuscules. The claimed distinction here is over the meaning of a word written in Hebrew that purportedly differs according to capitalization. I just want to know where the distinction is said to come from.
 
What was written in the Gospels was based on the oral tradition of eye-witness accounts.
So how do we distinguish between eyewitness accounts that have been accurately preserved after decades of oral transmission, and eyewitness accounts that have been wildly embellished or interpolated in the interest of telling a good story that gets people's attention? Given how unreliable oral traditions are known to be for the preservation of accurate history, how do we establish the veracity of the oral traditions concerningn Jesus after so many retellings without resorting to the invocation of magical intervention? Remember that the "eyewitness" oral traditions supposedly preserved by the various gospel authors (including those outside the Biblical canon) already have significant differences between them.
 
Given how unreliable oral traditions are known to be for the preservation of accurate history...
Oral traditions are unreliable from the time a witness is deposed to the time the witness testifies. Even with the best of intentions.

...already have significant differences between them.
The existence of differences is conclusive evidence that the method of transmission was unreliable.
 
So how do we distinguish between eyewitness accounts that have been accurately preserved after decades of oral transmission, and eyewitness accounts that have been wildly embellished or interpolated in the interest of telling a good story that gets people's attention?
You seem to be inferring ill-intent.
 

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