Merged (edited) General thoughts about Christianity and the bible

[Mojo]

No.
Every transgressor in the Fall had consequences.

Dictated by the entity that allegedly created them to carry out the actions for which they had to be punished.

What a nasty creature your god is.

 

[P.J. Denyer]

Say what? !!!

Sorry if that comes as a shock to you. Spoiler alert: There's no Santa either.


Maybe read the rest of the post, it answers your question about human evolution.

 

[Helen]

It really depends on where you decide to draw a line and say "these are modern humans". Have you ever read anything about hominid evolution and where homo sapiens descends from?

You're funny

 

[Mojo]

They definately exist it's just that they're small, nervous and hide behind the skirting boards. But you can lure them out with cheese and.... Oh, sorry that's mice. Mice definitely exist. Which makes them better than gods.

But sometimes gods catch them.

ETA: Sorry, I'm getting them mixed up with cats again.

 

[P.J. Denyer]

Yes, and then God had to punish it.

That's the sort of person God is.

See also 'Judas'

 

[P.J. Denyer]

It really depends on where you decide to draw a line and say "these are modern humans". Have you ever read anything about hominid evolution and where homo sapiens descends from?

Oh, I think I know the answer to this one!

 

[acbytesla]

I'm painfully aware that there are problems.
But I don't jettison something because of a few minor flaws.

A few minor flaws? Lol. I have yet to hear any argument for the supernatural that can withstand normal scrutiny. There is rarely any that isn't laughable.

What I always hear is special pleading and defensive measures. Statements like you can't judge or question God, or giving reasons for faith is casting pearls to swine, or god is smarter than us are all self defense mechanisms.

Lastly, the thing I really hate is any appeal to faith. Faith is the excuse that religious people give for their belief instead of reasons. Because if you had a good reason for your belief, you would present that

 

[Mojo]

Why? Surely your god meant them to do what they did? Wouldn't have been much of a story otherwise - some god created paradise, and all was well. The end.

You need to remember that while God is omnipotent and omniscient, it isn't any smarter than the people who invented it and believe in it.

 

[Mojo]

A previous topic asked: Why are some beliefs impervious to all evidence and reason?
https://internationalskeptics.com/f...impervious-to-all-evidence-and-reason.290194/

Quote from Thread starter @Puppycow

"Some people, I think, can change their beliefs based on new evidence, but it seems that many,
perhaps even most, have at least some beliefs which they will not change for any reason."

In a previous (current) thread we were discussing the validity of NDEs.
Despite reasonable evidence (in my opinion) the majority dismissed the validity.

Why?
Does this strike at a core belief of the nay-Sayers? Something they will fight to defend.
Unbelief is its own belief system.

The safe ground of agnosticism shrugs everything off saying, "We can't know for sure."

Unfortunately, faith requires believing even when the evidence is not all there.

Do you have anything beyond special pleading?

 

[Rusty Tyler]

Do you have anything beyond special pleading?

Do you know what mercy is? - LOL

 

[Rusty Tyler]

Snakes appear supremely well adapted for their method of locomotion. They certainly get around more effectively than I can imagine a horse or koala or chimpanzee managing, if I waved a magic wand and removed their limbs*. Don't you think so?

It's almost as if snakes evolved into their form, and the bible just-so story is really just pretend.

* NB I would not do this out of cruelty but as a punishment for their doing exactly what I needed them to do to move the story along. This makes sense in just-pretend world.

Surprised I haven't heard any complaints about a talking snake. - LOL

 

[P.J. Denyer]

Do you know what mercy is? - LOL

Non sequiter. Do you know what the phase 'Special Pleading' means?

 

[Rusty Tyler]

To creationists evolution stopped at today's version of everything.

What changes can you report for the last 10,000 years?

 

[Helen]

Surprised I haven't heard any complaints about a talking snake. - LOL

Most of us probably find the rest of the story far, far harder to believe, than the talking snake. Talking animals are not that uncommon in fiction.

 

[P.J. Denyer]

What changes can you report for the last 10,000 years?

Already answered.

 

[Mojo]

Do you know what mercy is? - LOL

Do you have anything beyond special pleading?"

 

[Rusty Tyler]

Non sequiter. Do you know what the phase 'Special Pleading' means?

You folks do it all the time. Ignoring all unfavorable evidence.

Issues for which there exist strong arguments for both sides, yet you claim no contest.

 

[Mojo]

What changes can you report for the last 10,000 years?

For a start, the ability digest lactose in adulthood.

 

[Rusty Tyler]

For a start, the ability digest lactose in adulthood.

That's some impressive progress for 10,000 years. - LOL

And now we have lactose intolerance. Is that the next evolutionary step?

 

[Jack by the hedge]

Surprised I haven't heard any complaints about a talking snake. - LOL

You can make free to assume any odd stuff like that in the bible, I class as "ain't necessarily so".

I am perfectly sure no magical or miraculous tales of any kind are actually true.

Just to remove any hint of ambiguity, talking snakes are most definitely just pretend.