Rusty Tyler
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The text doesn't tell us.
But I suppose eating dust is just as annoying as a sweaty brow.
I can't speak for childbirth, but I suspect that was the worst consequence.
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But I suppose eating dust is just as annoying as a sweaty brow.
I can't speak for childbirth, but I suspect that was the worst consequence.
Jack by the hedge
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Snakes appear supremely well adapted for their method of locomotion. They certainly get around more effectively than I can imagine a horse or koala or chimpanzee managing, if I waved a magic wand and removed their limbs*. Don't you think so?
It's almost as if snakes evolved into their form, and the bible just-so story is really just pretend.
* NB I would not do this out of cruelty but as a punishment for their doing exactly what I needed them to do to move the story along. This makes sense in just-pretend world.
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Mojo
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Has humankind evolved since Don Quixote?
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Rusty Tyler
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How far back to the original humans?
What evolutionary advances since then?
P.J. Denyer
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Mojo
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Define "original humans".
Helen
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Some humans still fight against the power of wind, so no....
Pixel42
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You know Adam never actually existed, right?
Mojo
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No, why did God need to "punish" the serpent? It was only doing what God created it to do.
Are we back to the Randolph Churchill interpretation of God?
I think you are giving it more thought than the authors did.....
If you really want to delve into it you need to start reading the stuff collected in the "Midrash", and that's not a rabbit hole it's a rabbit warren and makes the Jesuits look like the 3rd runner up at a high school debate.
If I recall correctly they have the curse cutting off the snakes' legs, so it could have been like a lizard rather than an upright beast. BUT take my recollection with a pinch of salt it's a long time since I read anything from the Midrash.
Cats.
P.J. Denyer
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Well, there was no Biblical Adam, but since the agricultural revolution (which in evolutionary terms was a heartbeat ago) humans have evolved lactase persistence, slightly smaller teeth and jaws as our new cooked diet is softer and those that migrated to Northern and Southern latitudes with less intense sunlight for much of the year, lighter skin to aid the synthesis of vitamin D. This list is not exhaustive.
Rusty Tyler
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No.
Every transgressor in the Fall had consequences.
Important to the story though, like Judas.
Rusty Tyler
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Say what? !!!
Mojo
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What makes you think it's stopped? Basically, as a species we're (at the moment) quite extraordinarily successful, so there's little in the way of selective pressure.
But it’s still going on. New species are being observed. Bacteria are evolving to overcome antibiotics. It's still happening.
P.J. Denyer
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To creationists evolution stopped at today's version of everything.
Helen
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Why? Surely your god meant them to do what they did? Wouldn't have been much of a story otherwise - some god created paradise, and all was well. The end.
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It really depends on where you decide to draw a line and say "these are modern humans". Have you ever read anything about hominid evolution and where homo sapiens descends from?