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Why Are the Majority of Those in Hell the Poor and Oppressed Masses?

Not every answer to prayer is "Yes."
What's the difference between a prayer to which the answer is not "yes" and a prayer to which there is no answer at all?

Based on my experience.
Are you saying there is no room for doubt in spiritual realities?
Experience is a poor guide to truth. We experience weird ◊◊◊◊ all the time and we don't always have a scientific explanation for it. That doesn't mean that you can shoehorn your personal belief into the gap.
 
What's the difference between a prayer to which the answer is not "yes" and a prayer to which there is no answer at all?
If not "Yes.", it is "No.", or "Wait."
But "No." is different than no answer at all.

Experience is a poor guide to truth. We experience weird ◊◊◊◊ all the time and we don't always have a scientific explanation for it. That doesn't mean that you can shoehorn your personal belief into the gap.
Truth is weirder than fiction.
You can't make this stuff up.
Sound familiar?
 
If not "Yes.", it is "No.", or "Wait."
But "No." is different than no answer at all.
Is it? If the answer is not "yes", how can you tell the difference between "no", "wait", and no answer at all?

Truth is weirder than fiction.
You can't make this stuff up.
Sound familiar?
Very. Truth is weirder than fiction. Just look at Donald Trump. But that doesn't mean that your fiction, or anybody else's fiction, has priority over truth.
 
Is it? If the answer is not "yes", how can you tell the difference between "no", "wait", and no answer at all?
Good question.
Typically the person that gets a "No." is conscious of it.
They know that God has a different idea about how to solve the person's issue.
Sometimes God has mercy on us by NOT answering that kind of prayer.

"Wait." is basically a "Yes." with an extended fulfillment.

A no answer, is a tough one.

Ultimately, it's best to turn over a situation over to God completely.

When Moses had his back to the Red Sea, he didn't pray for God to open the waters.
That was God's idea. --- Best to leave the solutions to Him.
 
Simple logic, I suppose.
You suppose? Supposition is not truth.

If it's not a "Yes.", and it's not a no-answer, then it is a "No."
But how can you tell?

A peace comes over them. They feel reassured, even though it's not a "Yes."
Peace came over me this morning, and I felt reassured, while I was sitting on the toilet.

Usually accompanied by a sign of some sort.
A sign of some sort? You mean, something happens? You do realise the vast number of possible events that can be interpreted as a "sign", right? Back in the day, they interpreted the flight of birds as a "sign". They interpreted "signs" in the stars. Simply saying "a sign of some sort" defines nothing concrete or significant.

I saw a spider coming down the wall while I was sitting on the toilet. Was that a "sign"?
 
You suppose? Supposition is not truth.
You say that like it's a bad thing.
But how can you tell?
Lots of experience. You just know.
Peace came over me this morning, and I felt reassured, while I was sitting on the toilet.
The BIG event. I had one too.
A sign of some sort? You mean, something happens? You do realise the vast number of possible events that can be interpreted as a "sign", right? Back in the day, they interpreted the flight of birds as a "sign". They interpreted "signs" in the stars. Simply saying "a sign of some sort" defines nothing concrete or significant.
Again, you just know.
I saw a spider coming down the wall while I was sitting on the toilet. Was that a "sign"?
Yes it was.
Did you understand it?
(time to squash a bug)
 
They didn't get everything wrong.
I used to have a Mormon for a neighbor. (downstairs in our duplex)
Heck of a nice guy. We got along fine.
I'm not talking about Mormon cordiality. What you're telling us is the criterion for knowing that God is talking to you is the criterion Mormons say should convince you that only Mormonism is right, even if you already belong to a Christian religion. Are the Mormons right on that point?

You say that like it's a bad thing.
It usually is. Let's say you are arrested on a criminal charge and arraigned before a judge who says, "I suppose you're guilty. I'm sentencing you to jail." Is that right?

Lots of experience. You just know.
But you can't articulate anything that doesn't sound like auto-suggestion. Sounds like you don't know.
 
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Not trying to simply snipe from the sidelines or the like, but it seems to me that one of two scenarios is in play with our newly registered evangelist.

1- he registered here and didn't do any/much lurking or 'reading the room'. That's mildly rude, but whatever. I'm sure he'd not be alone in that category if that's his thing.

2- he knew what this place was, and still thought "Despite these people having heard and debated these same arguments countless times over many, many years (decades), I'll be the one who changes their minds!

To Rusty - like I said above, 1 is impolite, but not exceptional. But if it's 2 - wouldn't you think that'd be a bit on the prideful side? Meaning, you bring nothing new to the argument, but you think that you yourself making it would be the difference? Isn't pride considered a sin in your ideology?

Why do you think that you, personally, will succeed when so many others before you failed?
 
Can someone tell me what qualifications you need to be a hated turk?
Is it the genes or a cultural thing ?
If cultural aspect is the determiner since it makes no sense to hate genes, is it the pre-Islamic turk or Islamic turk to be hated? Or if we go by the present time and individual, is it the muslim turk or non muslim turk to be hated?
 
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Good question.
Typically the person that gets a "No." is conscious of it.
They know that God has a different idea about how to solve the person's issue.
Sometimes God has mercy on us by NOT answering that kind of prayer.

"Wait." is basically a "Yes." with an extended fulfillment.

A no answer, is a tough one.

Ultimately, it's best to turn over a situation over to God completely.

When Moses had his back to the Red Sea, he didn't pray for God to open the waters.
That was God's idea. --- Best to leave the solutions to Him.
Yet Matthew....
 
Not trying to simply snipe from the sidelines or the like, but it seems to me that one of two scenarios is in play with our newly registered evangelist.

1- he registered here and didn't do any/much lurking or 'reading the room'. That's mildly rude, but whatever. I'm sure he'd not be alone in that category if that's his thing.

2- he knew what this place was, and still thought "Despite these people having heard and debated these same arguments countless times over many, many years (decades), I'll be the one who changes their minds!

To Rusty - like I said above, 1 is impolite, but not exceptional. But if it's 2 - wouldn't you think that'd be a bit on the prideful side? Meaning, you bring nothing new to the argument, but you think that you yourself making it would be the difference? Isn't pride considered a sin in your ideology?

Why do you think that you, personally, will succeed when so many others before you failed?


I find myself strongly reminded of the days when evangelical schools and colleges used to have their students sign up to social media sites to proselytise to the ungodly. I think this site was blacklisted because we enjoyed the supply of chew toys too much. Maybe someone didn't get the memo?
 

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