Mojo
Mostly harmless
And nobody is obliged to take your 'responses' seriously.
Respect needs to be earned.
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Why Are the Majority of Those in Hell the Poor and Oppressed Masses?
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Respect needs to be earned.
Mojo
Mostly harmless
I'm saying there's no room for doubt in "You either believe, or you don't."
"Spiritual realities"?
Pixel42
Schrödinger's cat
No, it only applies to those who don't recognise their biases and take steps to eliminate their effect.
Confirmation is so not OK for scientists that they spend considerable time and effort avoiding being fooled by it. Large scale double blind clinical trials, for example, are tedious time consuming and expensive. They're conducted because those conducting them know they're the only way to establish if any medical treatment actually works.
Are you saying that you're fooling yourself deliberately? That your ignorance is wilful?
Where do you think it started?
This talk of religious healing brings to mind (my mind anyway) the remark attributed to either
Anatole France or Émile Zola when visiting Lourdes and seeing all the trophy canes and crutches: "What,
no wooden legs?"
I just now learned (don't we all love our little phones!) that this is known as WLP, the Wooden Leg
Problem. With all those miracles claimed at Lourdes and other holy waterholes, why has no
missing limb -- or foot, or toes, or corns, or some damn thing -- ever magically regrown?
@JayUtah: Being a Mormon in Zion is a form of insurance. I'm glad that men of science buy a policy
from the dominent religious industry there -- heck, it would be surprising if they didn't. A cousin
of mine, born & raised in Wyoming just like me, when he married a full-throttle Saint woman and
moved to Salt Lake, converted to Joe Smithism. Last I heard, he was a deacon. No miracle needed.
Well, to be sure, his wife, Venla, caught a husband, and she being homely enough to join the ranks of
Brigham Young's wives, and disagreeable too, that might count as a Working of Grace.
Anatole France or Émile Zola when visiting Lourdes and seeing all the trophy canes and crutches: "What,
no wooden legs?"
I just now learned (don't we all love our little phones!) that this is known as WLP, the Wooden Leg
Problem. With all those miracles claimed at Lourdes and other holy waterholes, why has no
missing limb -- or foot, or toes, or corns, or some damn thing -- ever magically regrown?
@JayUtah: Being a Mormon in Zion is a form of insurance. I'm glad that men of science buy a policy
from the dominent religious industry there -- heck, it would be surprising if they didn't. A cousin
of mine, born & raised in Wyoming just like me, when he married a full-throttle Saint woman and
moved to Salt Lake, converted to Joe Smithism. Last I heard, he was a deacon. No miracle needed.
Well, to be sure, his wife, Venla, caught a husband, and she being homely enough to join the ranks of
Brigham Young's wives, and disagreeable too, that might count as a Working of Grace.
JayUtah
Penultimate Amazing
Confirmation bias is not okay for scientists. That's why the scientific method exists. You seem to be claiming that your critics are equally hobbled by bias, but the only evidence you can supply for that alleged bias seems to be an unwillingness to accept your claims on your terms. That's not what confirmation bias means.
No. The difference between physical reality and imagination is neither mysterious nor imposed arbitrarily from on high.
Straw man. You're affirmatively claiming there exists an afterlife and/or alternate reality. There's no reason to believe that any such thing exists without evidence. Existential claims incur a burden of proof. Your attempt to satisfy that burden amounts to easily-seen circular reasoning. Therefore the rational outcome is to dismiss the claim for lack of evidence and return to the presumption of non-existence. This is not the same as asserting that the claim cannot be true. You can overcome the presumption of non-existence by supplying objective, testable evidence of existence.
Then I'm not obliged to take you seriously.
According to whom? It's disingenuous of you to dismiss the reasoning of your critics without being willing to engage with it. You're in a skeptics forum, not a church. Evangelizing your beliefs as an answer to skeptics' questions is as inappropriate here as it would be for me to elbow my way to the pulpit in your church and lecture on scientific skepticism.
I've been a Christian in dozens of my past lives.
Thermal
August Member
I'm going to have to save you guys a lot of good seats down in Hell, I'm seeing.
P.J. Denyer
Penultimate Amazing
I get the impression the company will be better down there anyway.
Mojo
Mostly harmless
If something that exists outside of physical reality has effects on physical reality, those effects can be detected.
If something that exists outside of physical reality has no effects on physical reality, how do you distinguish it from something that doesn't exist?
Mojo
Mostly harmless
Did any god change the colour of any of my text? So far the evidence is the same for Zeus and the thropple.
Can you give us an example of something that is real but that the scientific method couldn't tell us if it was real?
(Not for Jay's benefit)
And imagination is part and parcel of a physical reality, it ain't a separate realm.
And to be on topic - Turkish.
Helen
Implicitly explicit
Turks invented Christians, just to have people to quarrel with.
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P.J. Denyer
Penultimate Amazing
Did you have an important management job under Alexander the Great?
Mojo
Mostly harmless
How would you distinguish between your god, the Flying Spaghetti Monster (PBUH), and the Great Green Arkleseizure?
P.J. Denyer
Penultimate Amazing
Gesundheit my child.